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Dear Mr Paul Martin.......(response to Liberals winning confidence vote) (pg. 2)
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The best thing for Canada is for the Lieberals to go.
All he did was vote against a budget amendment and a couple of other things last week. Harldly "any means necessary."
In contrast, Martin has truely done "everything necessary" to keep power.
He spent or promised to spend $26 billion in 3 weeks, including bribing certain provinces. He courted Stronach over with a Cabinet seat, and tried to make deals with others (caught on tape!). He went on national TV when there was no pressing national crisis - only a Lieberal Party crisis.
Have you not followed the news at all in the past 3 or 4 weeks? Or are you just selectively ignoring things? |
riiiight...asking your own party questions during question period...effectively halting all parliamentary activity...and refusing to attend any committee meetings other than the one concerning gay marriage is really productive.
So are you going to accept the results of the confidence vote...the vote that Harper and the Bloq wanted and have failed to win...or are you going to continue with childish "Lieberals" posts between now and the next election?
btw...the tape is hardly conclusive as to who actually initiated the discussions, no? |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
riiiight...asking your own party questions during question period...effectively halting all parliamentary activity...and refusing to attend any committee meetings other than the one concerning gay marriage is really productive.
So are you going to accept the results of the confidence vote...the vote that Harper and the Bloq wanted and have failed to win...or are you going to continue with childish "Lieberals" posts between now and the next election? |
Spoken like someone who either doesn't fathom, or choses to ignore, the scale and scope of the corruption within the Lieberal Party.
One week's obstruction in the House of Commons didn't hurt a single Canadian... but the Lieberals, in contrast, are doing great harm to the country. MP's should not be accomlices to the criminals in power.
The Lieberals must go. Now.
They are doing damage to the country as we speak. Martin is on a massive spending spree to buy votes, spending without regard to merit, only to maximize political gain (notice no spending for Alberta - the largest contributor to Confederation, but has many CPC MP's). All that while the perpetrators of the greatest corruption scandalS in the history of this country go unpunished.
Maybe worse of all, the Lieberals are fueling separatist movements right across the country. |
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| No one |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The best thing for Canada is for the Lieberals to go.
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Werd. :o
..and that is all I have to say.. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Spoken like someone who either doesn't fathom, or choses to ignore, the scale and scope of the corruption within the Lieberal Party.
One week's obstruction in the House of Commons didn't hurt a single Canadian... but the Lieberals, in contrast, are doing great harm to the country. MP's should not be accomlices to the criminals in power.
The Lieberals must go. Now.
They are doing damage to the country as we speak. Martin is on a massive spending spree to buy votes, spending without regard to merit, only to maximize political gain (notice no spending for Alberta - the largest contributor to Confederation, but has many CPC MP's). All that while the perpetrators of the greatest corruption scandalS in the history of this country go unpunished.
Maybe worse of all, the Lieberals are fueling separatist movements right across the country. |
LOL...look who's deluded now, hahahahaha...fueling separatist movements...LMFAO.
Do you have any idea what the overall budget is worth? What total gov't spending amounts to in real dollars? The ad scandal, and alleged "bribes" are quite literally a drop in the water.
That doesn't excuse the scandal...and it wouldn't excuse any "bribes" (if they exist)...but suggesting that our country is being "ruined" because of them is laughable. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
LOL...look who's deluded now, hahahahaha...fueling separatist movements...LMFAO.
Do you have any idea what the overall budget is worth? What total gov't spending amounts to in real dollars? The ad scandal, and alleged "bribes" are quite literally a drop in the water.
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Actually seperatist movement numbers are at a 10 year high thanks to this scandal.
And i'll take a drop in the water in my bank account any day. $100 million is A LOT of money.
Funny how these comments come from the same people who would freak out if there was a $100 million spending cut or tax break from a conservative. |
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| amb_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
(notice no spending for Alberta - the largest contributor to Confederation, but has many CPC MP's). |
What a pack of mistruths.
In child care alone, $70 million this coming year and $500 million over the next five years has been set aside in the budget for Alberta to do with it as it sees fit. We won't get into the $477 million in federal gas tax funding being transferred to Alberta.
| quote: | | Maybe worse of all, the Lieberals are fueling separatist movements right across the country. |
*Are* fueling? How are they actively doing so?
Give me a break. |
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| Matt |
wow, another right wing propaganda thread....
zzzz |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
LOL...look who's deluded now, hahahahaha...fueling separatist movements...LMFAO. |
The Bloc is at 55% in Quebec, due almost entirely to AdScam and the other scandals. The PQ is also the most popular Quebec provincial party. If that keeps up, there will definitely be a referendum in 2008.
http://www.blocquebecois.org/
Separatism is booming in other parts of the country too, due to the Lieberals.
http://www.separationalberta.com/
| quote: | | "The "Belinda Bounce" should prove to Albertans, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Federal politics in this country is corrupt and will never be fixed given the requirements for Constitutional amendment," stated Hutton. "There is no hope for Alberta's future inside this corrupt system. From a Canadian's point of view it is sad. From an Alberta Separatist point of view it is one more nail in the Confederation coffin." |
http://www.freealberta.com/
http://www.republicofwesterncanada.com/index2.html
http://www.wips.ca/
People in Ontario, especially in Toronto, better wake up. Canada is where the U.S. was around 1845.
| quote: | Do you have any idea what the overall budget is worth? What total gov't spending amounts to in real dollars? The ad scandal, and alleged "bribes" are quite literally a drop in the water.
That doesn't excuse the scandal...and it wouldn't excuse any "bribes" (if they exist)...but suggesting that our country is being "ruined" because of them is laughable. |
First of all, AdScam is just the tip of the iceburg. Remember, Gomery can only investigate AdScam, the Commission can't look into the other scandals (Martin purposely limited its scope).
Second, it's playing right into the hands of the separatists. WHy stay in a corrupt country if the federal government is just going to pocket the money?
Third, here's what djeso had to say:
| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
If you beleive that every guvernment is corrupt, then you leave no room for hope for a better one. I'm not into politics, but one thing for sure if people let any guvernment get away with something that has been caught in the public, it's wrong, because you'll let them know that they can get away with it and they'll do it again, just like raising a child, if you let them get away with doing bad things, the child will think it's ok and continue doing it. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by amb_
In child care alone, $70 million this coming year and $500 million over the next five years has been set aside in the budget for Alberta to do with it as it sees fit. |
A verbal commitment only. and a Lieberal word isn't worth much... It's also an amount far below that given to other provinces.
Anyway, we don't need a national program... it's a provincial matter. We don't need the Lieberals throwing money around to curry favour.
| quote: | | We won't get into the $477 million in federal gas tax funding being transferred to Alberta. |
That's nonsense. Look at net transfers.
http://www.cabe.ca/cbe/vol3_2/32-mansell.pdf
| quote: | | *Are* fueling? How are they actively doing so? |
The fiscal imbalance, which the Lieberals created, is fueling separatist movements.
The Lieberal practice of buying off regions with money from the federal slush funds pits regions of the country against each other. We need a permanant solution to the fiscal imbalance, not periodic backroom deals.
A related problem is the centralization policies of the Lieberals, as opposed to true federalism.
AdScam is doing great damage to the federalist cause in Quebec.
Harper made a great point:
| quote: | | ..the only members of Parliament from Quebec to vote against corruption were sovereigntists. |
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...9/BNStory/Front |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Actually seperatist movement numbers are at a 10 year high thanks to this scandal.
And i'll take a drop in the water in my bank account any day. $100 million is A LOT of money.
Funny how these comments come from the same people who would freak out if there was a $100 million spending cut or tax break from a conservative. |
Those separatist #s...would those increases be seen just in Quebec? or actually "across the country" as Shadowolf suggests?
some people may, but I don't freak out over responsible tax breaks or spending cuts. |
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| b4k-oz |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The best thing for Canada is for the Lieberals to go.
All he did was vote against a budget amendment and a couple of other things last week. Harldly "any means necessary."
In contrast, Martin has truely done "everything necessary" to keep power.
He spent or promised to spend $26 billion in 3 weeks, including bribing certain provinces. He courted Stronach over with a Cabinet seat, and tried to make deals with others (caught on tape!). He went on national TV when there was no pressing national crisis - only a Lieberal Party crisis.
Have you not followed the news at all in the past 3 or 4 weeks? Or are you just selectively ignoring things? |
ShadoWolf I'm gonna try and be as diplomatic as I possibly can with you right now........................................will you stop yanking on your dick so hard...it's aggravating you and making you sound like one of those loud whining and crying petty children that throws themselves on the floor bc they didn't get what they wanted.
YES I'M TALKING ABOUT THOSE KIDS THAT PPL WANT TO BITCH SLAP IN PUBLIC
OK OK I'm sorry SW... but sometimes your comments are really annoying. Ahem...ok...I'm better composed now
...ShadoWolf stop this bs and accept the fact that the Tories did not succeed. The bottom line word from many of those higher rankings right now is that they would never elect the Tories....bc their conduct through all of this has been deplorable. Definately not the image of what Canada can be proud of.
And before you retaliate about how Liberals have shamed us with the scandal...then let me say that there are many, many Tory officials (which I refuse to start naming *cough* starting with Mulroney *cough, cough**) have been and are currently under investigation for backdeals and corruption...and thus far, have eluded prosecution. The werd in and around the court houses right now is that no one trusts the Tories...and Harper will never be elected.
So lump it!!!!!! and STFU
As for the budget...it obviously pisses you off that sooo many "liked" this budget. And I can't fathom why your so adamant about pushing your jaded ideals on TA's.
Tories currently stand for raping the power of the purse, making their secret good ol boys club power more powerful, making themselves richer and the poor poorer, undoing every good mandate that was ever created and tarnishing Canada's power reputation amongst other nations. BTW...the only seperatist fueling going on, is the one being done by none other than the Tories
No amount of Liberal scandal has managed to accomplish what the Tories have in such a short time.
So go ahead and avoid this opinion....bc.....I can see your a wolf in sheeps clothing.
LOL come to think of it....nobody claims to have ever met or known who you really are in person....hmmmmmmmm :disbelief :nervous: |
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| amb_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
A verbal commitment only. and a Lieberal word isn't worth much... It's also an amount far below that given to other provinces.
Anyway, we don't need a national program... it's a provincial matter. We don't need the Lieberals throwing money around to curry favour. |
But I favour curry. A nice lamb curry.
Besides, monies for ELCC, ECD, and trust fund for day care in the budget and have been allocated per capita. Harper publically supports these initiatives.
| quote: | That's nonsense. Look at net transfers.
http://www.cabe.ca/cbe/vol3_2/32-mansell.pdf
Hmm. That document was prepared in 1995... Would you be able to point me to the correct figures? What happens with equalization payments when energy prices plummet, as they did in the late 90s?
[quote]The fiscal imbalance, which the Lieberals created, is fueling separatist movements.
The Lieberal practice of buying off regions with money from the federal slush funds pits regions of the country against each other. We need a permanant solution to the fiscal imbalance, not periodic backroom deals.
A related problem is the centralization policies of the Lieberals, as opposed to true federalism. |
What is Mr. Harper's magic wand for improving federal-provincial relations? Surely he's not going to win the premiers over with his charisma alone.
Is doing? They're actually carrying on with the program?
Mr. Harper's apologetic address to Qu�bec smacks of a thinly-veiled attempt to win voters from that province. I doubt many of the socialists from La Belle Province will be interested in voting for a party as far right as the CPC, especially one without any real track record in leadership.
If I was a Qu�becker (I'm not), I wouldn't buy it. |
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