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Religion (pg. 2)
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_
how about option 'c' = none of the above. ;)
Humans can exist without religion. |
Is science a religion? |
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| Xenocreator_PG_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
Is science a religion? |
scientology is a form a religion isnt it? Humans can also exist without science.
Scenario: If a baby is raised without being taught either science or religion, he/she will be none the wiser & will not beleive in either. |
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| tribu |
Scientology has very little to do with science despite its name. The scientology website only gives this little information.
| quote: | What is Scientology?
The aims of Scientology are a world without insanity, without criminals, without war, where the able can prosper and where Man is free to rise to greater heights.
And if you were to ask any Scientologist they would tell you it is a practical religion, with practical answers — tools that can be applied to achieve greater awareness and purpose in the here and now.
Or, as we say it, when you have the answers to life's questions — there is virtually no part of existence it cannot be applied to for the betterment of life itself.
What people need are real solutions, real tools to deal with and effectively overcome human problems.
Every one of us has experienced it.
Think back yourself and you'll remember when you tried to help a grieving loved one, a struggling child, a friend overcome by addiction.
And where you have failed, it's only because you lacked effective answers to accomplish what you desired. |
This reads like an advertisement for a book, and lo an behold, this ends the explanation of What is Scientology and presents the reader with an advertisement to buy scientology founder L Ron Hubbard's book. No other information is given about Scientology's beliefs.
You made an excellent point with your scenario. |
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| Xenocreator_PG_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
Scientology has very little to do with science despite its name. The scientology website only gives this little information.
This reads like an advertisement for a book, and lo an behold, this ends the explanation of What is Scientology and presents the reader with an advertisement to buy scientology founder L Ron Hubbard's book. No other information is given about Scientology's beliefs.
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scientology sounds like a cult (dictionary definition: "a system of religious beliefs and rituals")
scientology: | quote: | | it is a practical religion, with practical answers — tools that can be applied to achieve greater awareness and purpose in the here and now. |
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^that sounds to me like a ritual (stereotyped behavior).
Humans love boundaries, regulations & rules. Both Religion & Scientology are similar by the fact they both set up a customary social structure. |
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| Subey |
The universal religion that replaces the monotheistic age is all around you, but no one has the imagination to see it.
The Chrisitan argues that the Age of Aquarius is a lie... yet Santa's catch phrase is the chemical symbol for water.
Love is the Key. Imagination turns it. |
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| vrahnos |
i dont know if some kind of god exists....
its more likely that aliens exist than god...
Godd
Do you believe in a god that satisfies?
Do you believe in a god that opens eyes?
Do you believe in a god that tells you lies?
Or do you believe in me?
Do you believe in a god that brings you down?
Do you believe in a god that wears a crown?
do you believe in a god that makes you bow?
Or do you believe in me?
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| mezzir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xenocreator_PG_
scientology is a form a religion isnt it? Humans can also exist without science.
Scenario: If a baby is raised without being taught either science or religion, he/she will be none the wiser & will not beleive in either. |
how do you not believe in science?
sci·ence
n.
1.
1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
2. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
3. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
this isn't about beliefs, its a word that describes how humans learn |
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| guster |
"The ultimate belief of Scientology is that you are possessed by the spirits of aliens murdered 75 million years ago by "Xenu" and you have to exorcise these spirits. The cost of reaching OT III approaches $360,000."
Huh?
This is bizarre.
And by the way, I don't claim any kind of religion, so I'm unbiased. |
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| tribu |
| quote: | Originally posted by mezzir
how do you not believe in science?
sci·ence
n.
1.
1. The observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena.
2. Such activities restricted to a class of natural phenomena.
3. Such activities applied to an object of inquiry or study.
this isn't about beliefs, its a word that describes how humans learn |
While it may be hard to live without the deictionary definition of science, I think he was referring to the combined bank of knowledge that makes up what many people think of science (teachings in medicine, chemistry, physics, biology, astronomy, etc.) It would be possible to not be taught any of these things and still live just fine, making your own construction of why things are. |
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| newtotrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
People suggest that by accepting Jesus, you accept the entire judeo-christian ideology. Do you consider that to be true?
I understand your point about God being the source of everything, but it seems to come down to the differences between how people interpret what their specific god wants. Codes of conduct, accepted governments, social living; all of this is affected by what the society sees is "right" by their god's standards. Right and wrong is a very sticky issue to discuss and people have argued to warred over it for most of mankind's recorded existence.
Its hard for me to accept the church's story of jesus, specifically the spiritual half. The church is a clearly biased body which financially benefits from the increased membership of its congregation. By claiming spiritual superiority and access to god, the church (I speak here of judeo-christianity, but really of all religious based governments) has been able to control much throughout the history of man. If I'm going to try to understand the message of Jesus, I want to read what was recorded and interpret it personally. And I don't need to think of Jesus as a spiritual guru or half heavenly creature that came to reconcile a humankind's forray into the knowledge of the gods. Jesus had plenty to say concerning life-style recommendations and living in a society that I feel we would benefit more from today tha the spritual nature that everyone seems to concentrate on.
This is a very faith-based statement that is an impossible arguing point. |
By accepting Jesus, people do not merely accept the whole Judeo-Christianity platform because Judeo-Christianity is made up of several different denominations. Whereas, when people accept Jesus they are merely accepting that he is the son of God and that he died on the cross for the sins of mankind. Yes, Judeo-Christianity is the basis of believing in Jesus and God but Judeo-Christianity has evolved to modern day belivers to be apart of the church. In today's society many people accept Jesus into their hearts but only turn out to be worldly Christians. Accepting Jesus means to enter into a personal relationship with him and looking to him and no worldly influence. Yes, it does come down to the different interpretations of what a specific God wants. But on the contrary, there really is not a specific God for the different world religions. There is only one God with many different meanings to different cultures. Right and wrong has always been a very difficult subject to discuss with different cultures. However, those cultures have adapted different codes of conduct over the generations and have embraced God in their own way. However, sometimes the way that various socities view what is right is sometimes not fitting with the standards of the biblical scriptures that God has laid out through his word of the Holy Bible. I agree with you when you state that the church has become a self governing body that seem like religious based institutions. Jesus and for that matter God himself is not meant to be made into a self endorsing package for mankind rather is intended to be the universal ruler for mankind. Yes, you do not need to see Jesus as a spiritual guru or modern day tv prophet but rather looking at the scriptures for yourself to discover what it is that you personally believe in. That is what God wanted for humans when he gave us freewill. Yes, we would benefit from the recommandations that Jesus gave while he was preaching. Alot of the spiritual displays that exist today are people's own takes on how they think they should behave spiritually. |
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| newtotrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
Is science a religion? |
No, science is a not a religion. It is a form of man's own inventions and is man developed. |
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