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Religion (pg. 4)
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| D-res |
this is another great arguement that has happened dozens of times on these boards and i really wanna be a part of it, but like newtotrance, i have a very biased opinion, although on the other end of the spectrum. I'm open minded but i dont think i can offer too much to this arguement.
Imo, she's not offering much to the arguement cause she isnt open-mineded in the least bit. No offense to you, but my personal opinion is that you cant have a good debate if both sides cant accept nor understand how the other end sees things. I do, because i was brought up under a religion and chose sided on my own, but unfortunately, you dont simply because you're so incredibly set in your ways...
This debate will most likely never end because there's no way to prove one way or the other. Religion is completely faith based. There's logic thrown in, but no proof, and science is the same way, but more opinion based than faith based. You can prove things, but it all leads down to "how did we get here?" which we can most likely never prove.
again, no offense :p |
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| Orbax |
I dunno, in a kind of Durkheimian way I think that people need negativity in their lives. That if you get rid of all the things that piss you off, soon stuff like your bread being buttered wrong will piss you off. Eventually youll refine and narrow and refine again until youre almost impossible to hang out with.
Its like going into a nunnery and little stuff is a grave offense. Totally not fun to go to.
I get the feeling if I went and cracked some ridiculously offensive joke for shock value, and that joke actually WAS funny, theyd say in a very cool condescending tone "I really dont appreciate the negativity youre bringing here" and have really wide eyes and raised eyes brows as they said it.
The kind of people who dont watch rated R movies because they have sex, violence, and swearing in them. Like something cant be art if its offensive. Maybe thats the point! /flipping out ninja style |
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| Orbax |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
again, no offense :p |
would you like some more butter milk in your water :p |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
this is another great arguement that has happened dozens of times on these boards and i really wanna be a part of it, but like newtotrance, i have a very biased opinion, although on the other end of the spectrum. I'm open minded but i dont think i can offer too much to this arguement.
Imo, she's not offering much to the arguement cause she isnt open-mineded in the least bit. No offense to you, but my personal opinion is that you cant have a good debate if both sides cant accept nor understand how the other end sees things. I do, because i was brought up under a religion and chose sided on my own, but unfortunately, you dont simply because you're so incredibly set in your ways...
This debate will most likely never end because there's no way to prove one way or the other. Religion is completely faith based. There's logic thrown in, but no proof, and science is the same way, but more opinion based than faith based. You can prove things, but it all leads down to "how did we get here?" which we can most likely never prove.
again, no offense :p |
Hmmm
Who are you talking about here?
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Just so it is known, I am not a Scientologist, I just happen to know a lot about it. |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
would you like some more butter milk in your water :p |
mmmmm yes please :wtf: |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
I dunno, in a kind of Durkheimian way I think that people need negativity in their lives. That if you get rid of all the things that piss you off, soon stuff like your bread being buttered wrong will piss you off. Eventually youll refine and narrow and refine again until youre almost impossible to hang out with.
Its like going into a nunnery and little stuff is a grave offense. Totally not fun to go to.
I get the feeling if I went and cracked some ridiculously offensive joke for shock value, and that joke actually WAS funny, theyd say in a very cool condescending tone "I really dont appreciate the negativity youre bringing here" and have really wide eyes and raised eyes brows as they said it.
The kind of people who dont watch rated R movies because they have sex, violence, and swearing in them. Like something cant be art if its offensive. Maybe thats the point! /flipping out ninja style |
I know what you mean. I have two examples in my life personally where such extreme religious belief has led to such rediculous things
One such being a kid I used to be friends with. This kid loved punk music and he was one of the most carefree people i knew. He was also an athiest at the time but yeah.. He met this girl in his junior year of high school who was very religious and after hanging out with her for awhile, he too became this way. He stopped listenin to punk because it was offensive and listened to only christain music. He stopped reading normal books and now only reads the bible. He spray painted religious symbols like a cross and fish all over his van.
He then took it a step further and grew out his hair and his beard and the kid literally looked like jesus. or atleast how modern art portrays jesus to look like. I mentioned that to him once and he started calling me a blasphemer.. literally screaming it at me. His "obsession" became so immense that i stopped talking to him altogether. the bastard still has my super nintendo games :whip:
Now i have nothing against religious people. Its their opinions and i respect that, but when someone takes it to this level, its almost sickening. The kid never practices what he preaches. He walks up to the ala carte line and just takes food and walks off without paying. He even tried to kill himself once because he was so depressed, and even though thats a sin and he, atleast in his religion, would be sent to hell for that, he thought it was ok. The sad thing is, he thinks he knows so much about his religion, but he so under-educated. He thinks he can steal this food, but if he apologizes to God and whatnot, its okay...
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My second example is the mother of one of my other friends. She was cool. She was a typical mom. She could watch R rated movies with no problem. Violence, sex, swearing, whatever.. no problems.
BUT... i can think of two such movie related instances where she did have a problem.
Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings.
She bought both of them, hearing how good they were. She watched them and then threw them away because the "witchcraft" elements and the "anti-religious undertones" offended her.
Again, nothing against people who have religious beliefs. Even religious extremists, whatever.. their opinion, their life, but honestly. You know that religion has gone too far when a person takes a movie that was written as a fantasy and a childrens story, with no purpose of turning people away from God, but simply giving them something to escape to in their normal hectic lives, is labeled as Anti-Christain because of the way it is portrayed in film...
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
Only problem is that those that truly follow the Scientologist perspective don't speak to anyone that isn't a Scientologist, because they don't want to associate themselves with anyone that isn't in the same mind set about life, for they feel as though it will hinder their calmness and happiness. Hence why Tom Cruise for example doesn't have any non-Scientologist friends. The only thing that you have to admit about most Scientologists is that they are usually extreemely sucessful in life. |
So basically you tried to befriend some people who were scientologists and the only excuse they could think of for getting rid of you was tell you they weren't allowed to talk to non-scientologists?!
Take a hint woman! |
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| M@t |
lol i never realised scientology was so weird
Fair play if it makes people happy and respectful to/of (?) others.
But theyre still wierdos
Katie holmes must be one now then:wtf: |
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| Michael19 |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
I know a few Scientologists. Scientology is bascially based on the fact that there are elements (I think 8) that one must reach in order to achieve true and pure happiness. Basically there are levels, and Scientology exists to bring contentness and happiness to each of those levels without using God in the equation. |
let me guess, more money you give, quicker you reach that happiness level? |
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| Subey |
| quote: | Originally posted by newtotrance
On the flip side, there is only one montheistic age that is universal which involves worshipping the one true God that sent his son to die on the cross which made it possible for people to stop sacrificing and burning incense. |
You are mistaken. The sacrifices have changed in form but they are still there.
You are canadian. Why isn't the speed limit 40km/h on all roads? How many people are sacrificed every year on roads and highways? A thousand fold more than any Aztec priests ever killed. |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trance_shaft
Scientology was developed by a science fiction author w/ a credible amount of education. Whatever he asks us to believe in...At least the founder was alive, visible, and reasonably educated
As opposed to...well...let us now put our faith in a Jewish carpenter who lived more than a thousand years ago. He asks us to believe that the world was created in several days...that there are angels/demons...that there was an Adam/Eve...that a great flood caused Noah to harbor ALL KNOWN SPECIES AT THE TIME....on and on
Well I find both to be absurd and idiotic. But it baffles me how people who have an adequate education in the sciences are so vehement towards the former dogma.
In my opinion both are outlandish... |
you really can't be that niave and say you think the stories of adam & eve along with Noah's Ark are to be taken literally. Those stories are full of symbology(i believe the word i was looking for was SYMBOLISM, WHAT IS THE SYMBOLISM) and were a way scholars of the time wrote in regards to lessons on the subconscience.
the bible was written by some of foremost intellectuals of its time, no can expect a clear explanation or translation of a 2000 year old book. Most people, like yourself latch on to stories that even though are appealing and over the top, nonetheless still are just that... stories.
now comparing the writers of both scientology & christianity is not fair, there is no way of being able to compare the two. Belief systems for almost all religions are based on the exactly the same concepts. |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
you really can't be that niave and say you think the stories of adam & eve along with Noah's Ark are to be taken literally. Those stories are full of symbology(i believe the word i was looking for was SYMBOLISM, WHAT IS THE SYMBOLISM) and were a way scholars of the time wrote in regards to lessons on the subconscience.
the bible was written by some of foremost intellectuals of its time, no can expect a clear explanation or translation of a 2000 year old book. Most people, like yourself latch on to stories that even though are appealing and over the top, nonetheless still are just that... stories.
now comparing the writers of both scientology & christianity is not fair, there is no way of being able to compare the two. Belief systems for almost all religions are based on the exactly the same concepts. |
exactly.. those stories specifically were made to symbolize what happened as well as to provide lessons and teachings about our lives, our "God" so to speak, and how we should live. There obviously wasnt a massive boat carrying every species, nor were there two people running around in a perfect garden in the middle of the desert. ITs all symbolic of Jesus' teachings. Even an agnostic like myself knows that. |
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