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What does God have against the scouts? (pg. 4)
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancaholic
Ok, so considering that "everybody is guilty of this", everybody goes to hell then? What's the point of this heaven bull then? Some perverse variation on the gag of waving a lump of meat in front of a hungry dog before throwing it out? |
is someone who sins deserving of heaven? no, they deserve to be punished, just as in this world, u break the law, you are punished. since god is eternal, our punishment is also eternal. would u let a serial killer out into society? no, niether would a perfect god allow an imperfect being into his domain. to him, we are all as bad as serial killers. luckily god has given a way to avoid the punishment. |
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| trancaholic |
So God is pretty much a ticket salesman. It doesn't matter how bad you are or have been, as long as you repent in the end you get your ticket to Wonderland.
It makes me wonder why you would choose to waste your life on following stupid and restrictive rules, when you can sin all you like and then do the repent thing when your time comes? |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
Marry me.
Lee Burridge? Sorry Ms Nun's Event Raid, if this guy says yes first then you're out in the cold. Oh Aiwendil, let'sd consumate our love for slightly druggy, deep tech-house beats right here on the cold, cold ground, why not?
SLIGHTLY COLD GROUND? :eyes: :eyes: |
I would have said yes but apparently I am second best. :o
THIS:
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
everyone in this world has committed sins or disobedience to god's commandments. the perfect justice system punishes every infraction. yet god has given mercy to those who repent from the disobedience and follow after god. from that, god forgives and forgets, and leads one through the perils of daily life. therefore that person is said to be "saved". a man cannot save himself, no matter how virtuous he is. when finally that man B comes before god, and has all these sins, lying, cheating, stealing, whatever, and never acknowledged god at all, of course god is going to say, "depart from me, i never knew you." whilst man A, gave his life to god. |
Contradicts THIS:
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
is someone who sins deserving of heaven? no, they deserve to be punished, just as in this world, u break the law, you are punished. since god is eternal, our punishment is also eternal. would u let a serial killer out into society? no, niether would a perfect god allow an imperfect being into his domain. to him, we are all as bad as serial killers. luckily god has given a way to avoid the punishment. |
In your first rant you are claiming that as long as a person who has sinned becomes "saved" or "confesses" his moral sins to God, he has the opportunity to be forgiven and thus is then allowed into Heaven. Right? Right. Okay, so your "just" God, then doesn't allow someone who has followed the same path in life into Heaven because he didn't believe in him? As Occ already stated, your "God" has quite the ego. Let in the ones that worship me, don't let in the ones that don't. Basically, you can slaughter tens of thousands of innocents but as long as you acknowledge your faults and sins and dedicate the rest of your life to God, then you get a free ticket to Heaven, whereas someone who didn't murder anyone just lived a life without God, is not allowed in. Egotistical prick.
But in your second argument, you are saying that God doesn't let in those who have sinned.
Well,
Which is it?
I say it's neither, because you're blindly putting your faith into something that doesn't exist. |
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| squirrelly |
| Phooey. No one wants to argue with me. :mad: |
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| ::TranceVanDyk:: |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
I would have said yes but apparently I am second best. :o
THIS:
Contradicts THIS:
In your first rant you are claiming that as long as a person who has sinned becomes "saved" or "confesses" his moral sins to God, he has the opportunity to be forgiven and thus is then allowed into Heaven. Right? Right. Okay, so your "just" God, then doesn't allow someone who has followed the same path in life into Heaven because he didn't believe in him? As Occ already stated, your "God" has quite the ego. Let in the ones that worship me, don't let in the ones that don't. Basically, you can slaughter tens of thousands of innocents but as long as you acknowledge your faults and sins and dedicate the rest of your life to God, then you get a free ticket to Heaven, whereas someone who didn't murder anyone just lived a life without God, is not allowed in. Egotistical prick.
But in your second argument, you are saying that God doesn't let in those who have sinned.
Well,
Which is it?
I say it's neither, because you're blindly putting your faith into something that doesn't exist. |
no, they dont contradict. in both statements, i stated the justice of god. and also in both, i stated that one is able to be forgiven of this. its much more complicated than that, but im done debating this for now. youll never agree with me, ill never agree with you.
| quote: | So God is pretty much a ticket salesman. It doesn't matter how bad you are or have been, as long as you repent in the end you get your ticket to Wonderland.
It makes me wonder why you would choose to waste your life on following stupid and restrictive rules, when you can sin all you like and then do the repent thing when your time comes? |
if u ever look over the COR, im really not christian. i just tend to lean on the views of christianity. the wasting your life bit on rules or whatever really doesnt work, because from what ive seen, they like the religion. |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk::
im really not christian. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
Phooey. No one wants to argue with me. :mad: |
go to hell(is that good enough for you:conf:) |
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renegade
Lee Burridge? |
Couldn't think of anything else that rhymes with encouraged. |
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| mark_the_gooner |
This probably has nothing to do with the arguments going on in here but i would like an answer from anyone that doesn't believe in an after-life for this question:
if i were to go through life stealing, raping, killing and whatever else, and i were to get away with it (not go to prison, just live a normal life) and live to 80 odd years of age, then die, what would be my punishment for all these "sins"? I have put people through absolute "hell", but i just die like a normal person?
So what do you believe the punishment is? Some might say guilt but as documented on T.V on certain programs about serial killers, they actually get pleasure out of doing these things and not guilt.
Its just a question, this is only to those who don't believe in an after life (so not reincarnation or heaven & hell), what do u guys think? :conf: |
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| trancaholic |
| Simple answer: There's no punishment. Noone ever said that life/the world is fair and balanced. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| quote: | Originally posted by squirrelly
There is no God. Get over it. |
So what created life? |
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| squirrelly |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
So what created life? |
Evolution.
Seriously, do all of you fail your Science exams? It boggles my mind. I can't see any of you passing your Science classes. Or do you simply just memorize and then through everything out the window? You choose to believe in and accept medical advances, but when it comes to the creation of life, Science and evolution, it could only have been God? |
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