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| DigiNut |
I don't really think the police give a damn what he said, or what anyone else said. Police have a job to do, and they don't have time to get involved in the bull politics of what is considered "racial profiling".
I am sure they are not going to start strip-searching random black people, as that would be a violation of their rights. However, if it just so happens that the police pull over some black guy and arrest him after seeing a gun in plain view sitting on the back seat, can we NOT bitch and moan for once that they pulled him over because they were racist and that he should be set free even though he might be one of the dudes that's been shooting people?
| quote: | Originally posted by Time2Burn
Its sad that these kids think its cool to be this way but we shouldn't really blame them cause look at the role models corporate society has given them. Change needs to start at the top. |
So what do you propose... make it illegal for artists to release gansta rap albums? :rolleyes:
Instead of blaming "corporate society", consider this: is it possible that the problem is not simply an overabundance of bad role models, but rather a shortage of *good* role models? |
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| Time2Burn |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
So what do you propose... make it illegal for artists to release gansta rap albums? :rolleyes: |
No not at all in a perfect world everyone and every idea has a fair and equal chance of being heard with the consumer left to decide. Unfortunetly I don't see this in our current world. The "MTVs" or large record companies (in the case of hip hop) decide what is publicized to a larger audience. Now they have somehow come to the conclusion that "gangsta" makes bling and "conciousness" is left for the fringes or subculture. Therefore the 50 cents, Eminems, Ludicrises, Jay Zs of this world are pumped and the Dead Prezs, Mos Defs, Commons are not given the same kind of mass culture attention. Marketing plays a huge role in this world on how our culture behaves.
Original Gangster rap (ie Public Ememy, NWA) had a very overt anti establishment message to their listeners. Unfortunetly commercialism contradicts this very premis and instead a paradoxical message that gangster = success is portrayed.
| quote: | | Instead of blaming "corporate society", consider this: is it possible that the problem is not simply an overabundance of bad role models, but rather a shortage of *good* role models? |
Poposturous! Again bad = $$$$$. Good = Boring. In reference to black urban youth culture I would guess that for every gangster rapper out there there are 5 poets, rappers, artists, writers that proport social upliftment, anti violence and an overall positive message. It is these people that should "sell a million records and be making a dash." |
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| Euphorica |
i say we build a fence around the areas. keep that contained. If they come out of said area, they must be shackeled :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
*joking incase you cant tell*
the Police already racial profile , to some degree. So openly admitting it in certain problem areas isnt a big deal imo. :haha:
really though, what else is there left to do? really? |
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| VERTiG0 |
Hahaha, I can see it now:
Looking at Baki's driving record in a few years, I see he's got numerous convictions for DWBs.
Driving While Black.
Awesome. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancechaos
if i get pulled over by the cops for being black im giving them the finger.
the gun violence is really getting stupid but to suggest that cops randomly search young black men is even more stupid.
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I am sorry to say it but if you are a black person in an area where there is an increased amount of street violence you are going to be labelled. The police have a reason for pulling over young black males....because they fit the description of the people who are causing the violence. Don't tell me we don't look at east indian people in a different way since September 11. Wether we admit it or not we all racial profile to some extent. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I am sorry to say it but if you are a black person in an area where there is an increased amount of street violence you are going to be labelled. The police have a reason for pulling over young black males....because they fit the description of the people who are causing the violence. Don't tell me we don't look at east indian people in a different way since September 11. Wether we admit it or not we all racial profile to some extent. |
psst buddy... those were middle eastern people not east indian.... I don't think too many people are scared of Hindu terrorism.... terrorism is bad for karma.
With regard to pulling over young black men driving in "problemed" areas.... as effective as that may be it is unconstitutional. Unless the police have reasonable cause to believe the driver of the vehicle is commiting or has committed a crime they cannot pull him over and preform a spot check.
Now, what constitutes reasonable cause is questionable, however, the courts have ruled in the past that being of a certain racial or otherwise based description and being present in a certain area does not constitute reasonable cause. That being said, the police could do the spot checks and sieze any illegal weapons found, however, the weapons would likely be excluded as evidence at trial as they were located via an illegal search. So, the possessor of the weapons would not be convicted (hard to convict someone of a fire arms offence without having said fire arm entered into evidence), however, if the fire arm were illegal the police would still be able to destroy it. We may not get the criminal off the street but at least we get the gun.
The only thing that worries me about this is the potential cost. When we start disregarding one charter right then a second is not far behind. It is a slippery slope. Eventually, the rule of law would be meaningless, thus, the basis for all order in our society would be negated. I don't want to live in a society that is not governed by the rule of law. |
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| starsearcher |
Well at least it was a black guy who came up with the idea :stongue: otherwise everyone would be up in arms calling him a racist :)
In any case I think I know what he MEANT by that comment and perhaps didn't articulate it well or simply the media spun it off in a negative way. I'm sure he didn't mean RANDOM black people...but someone who looks like trouble...either way though it's way too sensitive of an issue and it's not right to do. |
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| OrZonE |
I've had friends, that weren't of color, stopped on several occasions, asked for ID and interrogated as to what they were doing, why they were doing it and so forth. Why? Because ONE fit the description of somebody police was looking for. Mind you this happened during the night, so the police couldn't possibly have seen their faces and most likely used the look-alike factor as an excuse.
Another time, a cop car pulled up while my friends were sitting in the car, on the parking lot, in front of their building and started asking questions of the same nature.
Now I could just as easily say that's racial profiling, and on both occasions people were stopped because they were white. Yet for some reason this isn't a problem, but stopping people of color is.:rolleyes: |
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| Jayx1 |
| i was stopped in broad daylight because i looked like someone the cops thought had robbed a bank. They werent very nice about it either. And im also white. |
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| starsearcher |
| I've been asked many times why I was in a parking lot too :) but I think this is a litle diferent |
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| trancechaos |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
So what do you propose... make it illegal for artists to release gansta rap albums? :rolleyes:
Instead of blaming "corporate society", consider this: is it possible that the problem is not simply an overabundance of bad role models, but rather a shortage of *good* role models? |
there are plenty good role models out there, i agree that society has turned bieng a "thug" into something good. even the white kids want to be thugs. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
psst buddy... those were middle eastern people not east indian.... I don't think too many people are scared of Hindu terrorism.... terrorism is bad for karma.
With regard to pulling over young black men driving in "problemed" areas.... as effective as that may be it is unconstitutional. Unless the police have reasonable cause to believe the driver of the vehicle is commiting or has committed a crime they cannot pull him over and preform a spot check.
Now, what constitutes reasonable cause is questionable, however, the courts have ruled in the past that being of a certain racial or otherwise based description and being present in a certain area does not constitute reasonable cause. That being said, the police could do the spot checks and sieze any illegal weapons found, however, the weapons would likely be excluded as evidence at trial as they were located via an illegal search. So, the possessor of the weapons would not be convicted (hard to convict someone of a fire arms offence without having said fire arm entered into evidence), however, if the fire arm were illegal the police would still be able to destroy it. We may not get the criminal off the street but at least we get the gun.
The only thing that worries me about this is the potential cost. When we start disregarding one charter right then a second is not far behind. It is a slippery slope. Eventually, the rule of law would be meaningless, thus, the basis for all order in our society would be negated. I don't want to live in a society that is not governed by the rule of law. |
I am well aware that they were middle eastern individuals however, the majority of people see east indians and think they are terrorists....hence why I said east indian.
Personally, I would rather have a cop pull me over and make sure I wasn't the bad guy then have the cop being affraid to pull me over in case I wasn't the bad guy. If I have to be inconvienced just a little bit to make sure that my community is safer then I will live with that. The problem is...most of these young black males take it personally and think it is a racial thing. The problem is the cops get a description of young black male between the ages of 18 - 25. If the cops had better descriptions of the individuals then maybe they wouldn't have to stop and talk to every black male between the ages of 18-25. |
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