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Government of Canada job = White Men Need not apply (pg. 7)
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| Jayx1 |
so first im told that racist practices are wrong unless applied against me. And then im told to get over racist statements made to me.
I see how it is ;) |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
so first im told that racist practices are wrong unless applied against me. And then im told to get over racist statements made to me.
I see how it is ;) |
You got it cracka
swilly :) |
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| chanoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by swilly
I didint mistreat anyone ethier but...my people still suffer from the impact of colonialsim.
Also informal networks are a significant source of employment for much of this country. If certain groups have high levels of unemployment than they are at a disadvantage due to a lack of social networks.
These programmes are not there to disadvantage white people but rather to make the playing field level.
At the end of the day many of those minority groups have less informal networks than non minorities.
Thus programmes like these seek to rectify this.
It does not matter much anyways the jobs they alot for minorities are usually entry level crap jobs with no opportunties for upward advancement anyways.
If you still look at most of the CEOS and high level managers in this nation it is still dominated by white men. So dont worry there amigo your demographic wont be falling on hard times anytime soon.
swilly |
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i was beginning to worry not a single TOTA could see past their own little bubble |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by chanoa
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i was beginning to worry not a single TOTA could see past their own little bubble |
how about the bubble that u are in? |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
so first im told that racist practices are wrong unless applied against me. And then im told to get over racist statements made to me.
I see how it is ;) |
your point is valid...i.e. that two wrongs don't make a right...but not righting a previous wrong is no solution either.
anyone suggesting that a natural self-correction will occur in all sectors simply by making it illegal to discriminate is extremely naive. There needs to be *some* kind of active policies implemented. While I don't think hiring practices such as this one are acceptable, I'm not sure what else can expediate that correction. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
your point is valid...i.e. that two wrongs don't make a right...but not righting a previous wrong is no solution either.
anyone suggesting that a natural self-correction will occur in all sectors simply by making it illegal to discriminate is extremely naive. There needs to be *some* kind of active policies implemented. While I don't think hiring practices such as this one are acceptable, I'm not sure what else can expediate that correction. |
Education of the younger generations as has happened now and patience. Ive said that before. You cant teach an old dog new tricks. Our grandparents had their beliefs, our parents theirs, and this generation is even more progressive thanks to exposure to new cultures along with education. We cant force society not to be racist. And at the same time instituting racism will not eliminate it either. If anything it will make it worse.
The outcome they are trying to acheive is a noble one. Sadly the road to hell is paved with good intentions. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
The outcome they are trying to acheive is a noble one. Sadly the road to hell is paved with good intentions. |
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| Irishaddict |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
I shall cut off your ears if I don't like your face...it's barbaric, but hey, it's home! (name that track...) |
That's from Aladdin.
Arabian Nights I believe.
YES I WATCH GODDAM DISNEY MOVIES SUE ME |
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| chanoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
how about the bubble that u are in? |
so true..so true..
this is why i will never block your posts. i learn so much, whether i agree or not
furthermore, society won't rectify itself fast enough unless programs are set up. If certain practises are ignored by the gov't in hopes that society will balance it out in the long run, we will never see these practise as wrong. to assume that is to assume racism and hate isn't natural, yet look at how many countries where racism is ingrained into their policies and see how many people there actually feel its wrong.
We need to take an active stance against it.
Also its more then just racism we are attempting to correct. It is not a hidden fact that certain ethnic groups are poorer and have weaker social systems in place. By evening out the job market its guarenteeing that these particular ethnic groups will become self-sufficient and will one day (hopefully soon) not need gov't sponsered social programs (ie. welfare). This also guarentees that their children will grow up with the same possibilities that are avaliable to most of us. |
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| swilly |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Education of the younger generations as has happened now and patience. Ive said that before. You cant teach an old dog new tricks. Our grandparents had their beliefs, our parents theirs, and this generation is even more progressive thanks to exposure to new cultures along with education. We cant force society not to be racist. And at the same time instituting racism will not eliminate it either. If anything it will make it worse.
The outcome they are trying to acheive is a noble one. Sadly the road to hell is paved with good intentions. |
Educating the current generation wont create those informal job networks that certain ethnic groups lack. That is the main goal of these policies. In order to make a more equal society you have to create some unequal conditions for those who have more advantages. Its the same reason why there is progressive taxing as well ( which i am sure you are against as well).
At the end of the day even with programmes like this statistically speaking minorities will still have less job opportunities due to the lack of informal networks.
Thus even though individually someone might not be able to apply as a whole that persons group will still have more opportunities thus there is no inequality at a societal level.
If you can come up with a better idea I would like to hear it.
swilly |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by chanoa
so true..so true..
this is why i will never block your posts. i learn so much, whether i agree or not
furthermore, society won't rectify itself fast enough unless programs are set up. If certain practises are ignored by the gov't in hopes that society will balance it out in the long run, we will never see these practise as wrong. to assume that is to assume racism and hate isn't natural, yet look at how many countries where racism is ingrained into their policies and see how many people there actually feel its wrong.
We need to take an active stance against it.
Also its more then just racism we are attempting to correct. It is not a hidden fact that certain ethnic groups are poorer and have weaker social systems in place. By evening out the job market its guarenteeing that these particular ethnic groups will become self-sufficient and will one day (hopefully soon) not need gov't sponsered social programs (ie. welfare). This also guarentees that their children will grow up with the same possibilities that are avaliable to most of us. |
But how on earth can you justify righting a wrong with the same wrong? It's just hypicrisy no matter how it's justified. |
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| Jayx1 |
Swilly:
Im a white guy and i made all my contacts and networking in school and socially. Any further work contacts i have made at work (from the ground level). I was never "born into" these contacts. Very rarely does this happen for anyone. If it does, usually you have to be going into the same line of work as your parents. And i don't see that happening much anymore either. It certainly doesnt happen for the type of government job listed where "white men need not apply". So i dont really buy into this arguement. |
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