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Another shooting in club district (pg. 2)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by 8Wonders
I'll agree that they don't get paid as much as they should, but lets face facts here, no one forces them to do what they do. They know the risks of being a bouncer nowadays... if as a bouncer you don't know that you can possibly get shot or worse killed, then you are a moron, simple as that. |
Exactly.
As fun as it is to play the victim, people in dangerous or dead-end jobs can always just go and get another job.
Wage is determined by the scarcity of labour in relation to its demand, not by the skill level or danger inherent to the position. There are always dozens more insecure muscle-bound and heavyset dudes just dying for an opportunity to experience the ego trip of dragging some drunk out of a popular nightspot. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Exactly.
As fun as it is to play the victim, people in dangerous or dead-end jobs can always just go and get another job.
Wage is determined by the scarcity of labour in relation to its demand, not by the skill level or danger inherent to the position. There are always dozens more insecure muscle-bound and heavyset dudes just dying for an opportunity to experience the ego trip of dragging some drunk out of a popular nightspot. |
I don't completely disagree with you and it will not be long before a bouncer gets shot and then sues the club owner especially if the clubs don't start allowing the bouncers to carry protection or at least a bullet proof vest. It would not be hard to convince me that a reasonable and prudent club owner ought to have known that a bouncer could have gotten shot while on the job. There is clear negligence here. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I don't completely disagree with you and it will not be long before a bouncer gets shot and then sues the club owner especially if the clubs don't start allowing the bouncers to carry protection or at least a bullet proof vest. It would not be hard to convince me that a reasonable and prudent club owner ought to have known that a bouncer could have gotten shot while on the job. There is clear negligence here. |
and this blame everyone else but the person who did it mentality is what is killing canada |
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| hardcore trancer |
Thank god I left that hole called Richmond street.I hope the clubs begin to see the consequences of having pure hiphop/raggae nights at the club.It is just not worth it imo,these in thugs dont spend money and make the club look like therefore it is not worth it.
and to Diginut,it seems like you've gotten your ass kicked by a bouncer in the past.It is stupid and hypocrite of you saying all bouncers are a bunch of muscleheads with ego problems.perhaps you are jealous that you are not as fit as them and that they get laid alot more then you do.
This might be shocking to you but most of the bouncers I know are well educated and are doing this for fun and some extra change. |
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| Jayx1 |
but if they stop playing hop will they be able to get the former crowd away from college st and back to richmond?
I dont like that toronto is becoming a lounge/pub city instead of a club city.
I hate poser bars. |
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| djbruuen |
we walked pasted the caution tape on the way to my car and i was not the slightest bit surprised at all...when i walked passed metro on the way to lot at the beginning of the nite and looked at the crowd, i sarcastically said, "i'm glad i'm not going there tonite or i'd be scared of getting shot!" low and behold, we leave lot around 3:30 to see police cruisers everywhere with cuation tape surrounding metro.
i agree with chemenhanced, that when i leave a club in that area, i like leaving at at least 4ish most of the time when most of the thugs have gone home, the EDM scene is so awesome, in all my clubbing i've very rarely seen big fights break out, to state the obvious, its always hip hop. i don't understand why these losers can't just go out and have a fun nite, isn't that the whole point? instead its like, "did you just look at my girlfriend mother******, i'm gonna bust a cap in your ass!" fags :rolleyes: |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
and this blame everyone else but the person who did it mentality is what is killing canada |
aye. why is it the ing norm to pass the buck and always expect others to cough up and pay for they necessarily shouldnt be.
jesus christ. |
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| dEsidEL |
an aside ..
why is Jane & Finch not referred to as "North York" in this article, and Scarborough is simply referred to as "Scarborough".. ?
jay i think we had this discussion before about media bias ..
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Caught in the crossfire
Gunfight erupts amid Bloor St. rush-hour traffic
Stray bullet hits passing van, just missing driver
JESSICA LEEDER AND BETSY POWELL
STAFF REPORTERS
As morning traffic coursed down one of downtown's busiest corridors yesterday, two angry men stood facing each other, separated by two lanes of flowing cars on Bloor St. E.
Dangling a gun, one man stood near the middle yellow line glaring southward. The other, on the sidewalk facing north across the moving vehicles, seemed to passing driver Mirek Fudalej as if he wanted to shoot. Then he did, launching a quick exchange of gunfire above the heads of unsuspecting motorists.
The morning gunplay was the third public shooting in as many days. By mid-afternoon, in the Jane St. and Finch Ave. area, there had been another, and by late evening in Scarborough there had been yet another, leaving criminologists and police wondering whether the latest storm of shootings is a sign Toronto has lost control of its streets.
More than 40 shootings have occurred in public places since the beginning of July. Nearly half the victims, including three this weekend alone, are dead, while a handful of others are fighting for their lives. Of Toronto's 64 homicides this year, 44 were committed with firearms, all but one of those handguns.
The circumstances of the street mayhem are varied and bloody. Bullets have cut into the skull of a bus driver, sprayed through front yards and twice torn across Dundas Square, one of the city's most lauded pedestrian spots. Elementary school grounds, shopping mall parking lots and playgrounds have become nighttime killing fields. Increasingly, it seems the gunmen of Toronto are devoid of mercy. They know no bounds.
At least, that's Rosemary Gartner's theory. The University of Toronto criminologist says her research indicates the nature of killing is trending toward a higher-than-ever use of guns.
"There are more guns and more killings in public places," she said. "Public shootings are a concern. (Innocent) people can be killed when people are on the street shooting people."
Police Sgt. John March said it was "an absolute miracle" no one died in yesterday's incident about 9:45 a.m. on Bloor St. E. just east of Sherbourne St.
For Fudalej, it was a close call. The self-employed painter was travelling west in the middle lane on Bloor St. E. above the entrance to the Sherbourne subway station when he was caught in the crossfire of what police called a drug deal gone bad.
Two small-calibre shell casings and a half-ounce sprinkling of crack cocaine in a crumpled piece of brown paper, worth about $250, were recovered at the scene.
At least three shots were fired. One of them, a coppery bullet — likely from a .45-calibre weapon — lodged chest-high in the driver-side door jamb of Fudalej's white GMC Safari, having shredded part of the sheet metal into pencil shaving-like bits. If it had hit five centimetres to the left, the bullet likely would have pierced his torso.
"In regards to the gunplay, it really has gotten out of hand," March said at the scene of the Bloor St. E. shooting. "I've been doing this for 24 years. I've never seen anything like this. It's unbelievable that they'll do it in daylight, in rush hour."
With no suspects in the shooting, police issued a public appeal for help identifying five men who are alleged to have been involved. About six hours after the Bloor St. shooting, a 26-year-old man was taken to Sunnybrook hospital after being shot several times in the stomach in North York. He is listed in critical condition.
A white Honda Civic with a smashed front window and at least one bullet hole in its frame sat in an alley between industrial buildings on Eddystone Ave., west of Jane St. and south of Finch Ave. W. Three of the car's doors hung open, spent bullet casings littered the pavement. Two suspects in two blue Hondas are being sought.
The day closed with a 22-year-old being shot in the arm about 11:30 p.m. outside a Scarborough townhouse complex. The victim, who is known to police, was injured during a dispute in a rear parking lot of Morcambe Gate, near Finch Ave. E. and Victoria Park Ave. He was taken to Scarborough Grace Hospital by a friend with a car. Meanwhile, investigations into several other weekend shootings continued.
A 21-year-old man who was shot four times just after 2 a.m. yesterday outside the Metro nightclub, 296 Richmond St., remained in critical condition following surgery at St. Michael's Hospital. A second person was grazed by a bullet in the incident and released from hospital. About 800 people were in the area at the time of the shooting.
Also yesterday, police began probing the possibility that a Sunday night gunfight in Rexdale that killed Aleem Rehmtulla, 26, and Fahim Talakshi, 25, both of Oakville, started in a car.
"It would appear there was some form of buying or selling of drugs going on at some point, or using of drugs," said homicide Staff Insp. Jeff McGuire.
Police don't believe there's a link between the killings and the Saturday afternoon shooting of Brendan Archibald-Sterling, 22, who died in a lane roughly 200 metres from the site of the Sunday incident, at Martin Grove Rd. and Finch Ave. W.
Mayor David Miller responded to the spate of incidents by calling for redoubled efforts to fight gun crime. "The police made significant arrests in September of the gangs, and we need to send a strong law-enforcement message that if you have a gun in Toronto, you'll be caught and you'll go to jail," he said.
Gartner, the criminologist, attributes much of the rise in gun violence to funding cuts in the mid-1990s to education, public health, welfare and recreational resources. In order to reverse Toronto's crime woes, the cuts themselves must be reversed, she said, adding that if they're not, the city shouldn't expect much of a change in trends.
And if public shootings aren't curbed, "moral panic" could set in among ordinary citizens, causing them to become "fearful about crime, isolating themselves, withdrawing from public life," she said.
with files from Gabe Gonda, Alwynne Gwilt, morgan campbell and henry stancu
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http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...tacodalogin=yes
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
and this blame everyone else but the person who did it mentality is what is killing canada |
It's the norm in the United States.
I don't mind everyone else blaming others....it keeps me employed.
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| Carney |
| they do have metal detectors @ metro i remember seeing them as i walked by on my way to LOT. i also remember thank god im not going there tonight. i think odds are with there being metal detectors and cops right out front, someone who works there must have brought the gun in side or something like that, some sorta inside connection. Notice how when Sean Paul is in town peeps are getting shot up |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Carney
they do have metal detectors @ metro i remember seeing them as i walked by on my way to LOT. i also remember thank god im not going there tonight. i think odds are with there being metal detectors and cops right out front, someone who works there must have brought the gun in side or something like that, some sorta inside connection. Notice how when Sean Paul is in town peeps are getting shot up |
I have seen many bouncers let people in with weapons....if you know the right people you can get in with anything.
I saw some Asian with a piece at Guv the one time |
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| Dancing*Queen |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I have seen many bouncers let people in with weapons....if you know the right people you can get in with anything.
I saw some Asian with a piece at Guv the one time |
Really??
It's pretty scary to think they would allow certain people in with a weapon...I would like to think they wouldn't let someone in with a piece just because they know him/her |
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