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Trance + Drugs = Misconception? (pg. 4)
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| Esper256 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aquarian
I'd do drugs for the sake of experimenting, and I love EDM. Never done them together though. It's just a stereotype. If all people who listen to edm go to raves and do drugs, then all people who listen to country are white trash and people who listen to rap are violent criminals. |
I, for one, do not take any drugs and go to every event purely for the music.
That being said, I do not judge the people who feel like their night is chemically enhanced. Whether or not you feel it is necessary is a personal choice. Other people might be different. I think for some people drugs become a problem, and at an event, when the drugged out zombie keeps falling into you, or stepping on your feet, it becomes more than just their personal reasons.
That being said, I think Aquarian brings up a good point with the stereotypes. Growing up in California, the new age hippy PC bull has us brainwashed into a negative association with the word "stereotype". But here's the thing. Stereotypes hurt people's feelings because they are grown in truth. A stereotype that doesn't remind people of related experiences they've had do not spread.
Rap does have an association to violence, country does have an association to white trash, and EDM does have an association to drugs. The difference is that these are not cause and effect. Rap music does not MAKE people kill other people, etc. etc. But if you go into statistics, the association is there.
There are some aspects that work against EDM:
- Media enjoys covering drug mis-use as opposed to normal use.
- People who go bonkers over issues of morality would would flip if schools quoted realistic drug danger facts. Instead they are taught as super dangerous. This isn't a really bad thing, but it does cause people to go out of there way to try to dig up the worst of drug culture which will then get the spotlight.
- American media, including Hollywood and TV shows, do not show EDM music to the public in a serious way. The absolute unfortunate thing here is that there are people who hear about Trance or Techno for the first time when somebody is mentioning drugs. When the only time you hear about something, it is linked with drugs, it'd be hard to not buy into the stereotype.
Now the above really is out of the control of EDM lovers. We do not control the media. But essentially I think this isn't a problem about drugs. This is a problem of how we choose to represent our own drug use. There's a difference between the person who does a single dose of E, enjoys himself or herself fully, and leaves and the person who literally stops functioning due to drug use.
It's the same difference between being one of what (to me) seems like a majority of people who do weed infrequently but routinely, and the stereotypical stoner, no job, skater, punk, loser, dropout, etc etc (you get the picture). Same drug, different habits. One of them gets swept under the table as these people have jobs, and do what normal people do, the latter lets the drug infiltrate every aspect of their life. You get stereotypes about the stoner, you don't get stereotypes about the internet startup computer geniuses who indulge every once in a while.
I come from a background where my family and people close to my family are far away from drug culture. Nobody in the world can see past the drugs in EDM. Whenever people know that I'm a DJ that means nothing. Once they figure out that I play Trance, that means nothing to them, they figure out it's like Techno and suddenly, "oh you must be into drugs". So this issue really affects me. People know stereotypes are usually based in truth. So you can't dispel this by saying: "your beliefs are completely unfounded". You have to simply state the truth.
"A lot of people do drugs regardless of musical taste. A lot of people who listen to EDM do drugs to enhance the experience of the music. But it is a far cry from everyone into that kind of music, and the drug use is really misrepresented by the media. Essentially I recommend you to not jump to any extreme conclusions until you have first hand experience", or something like that. It's a moderate truthful process that will cause people to question what they think they know.
Ultimately I think the best thing to be done is to turn to the people who are overdoing it, and tell them. Don't leave your private residence in this state, you are an embarrassment. Well at least that's what I'd say. But I am a harsh and overly honest person. That's my $0.02 at least. |
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| halexander837 |
UGH
Here we go again :o |
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by sleepydragon
:haha: u got to be joking make that 90% ur lucky to find many people in a club that arent on drugs |
bro not even half of the club is on drugs... dont be naive. |
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| djnaeblis |
Stereotypes = bad. I am sure not all rappers do weed. Even more sure most people who listen to EDM are not drug addicts, or e-tards. Can't stand those e-tards.
My favorite sterotype was when Barbara Walters did her special about drugs and 'raves'. WAHAHAAA. Was hilarious, especially the part that had the Nazi flag in the background. It was flippin great. I am sure all would appreciate the gulf-war style footage about the people doing drugs, I think it was actually back when Glow was big. Heh. Funny stuff.
Personally I feel that drugs are foolishness. |
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| thesuperfunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
I go to enjoy the music, and substances enhance the experience. |
ing spot on.  |
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| bobonoho |
| I've been listening to trance music since I was 12 years old. I first took ecstasy at the age of 17. It never even OCCURED to me to mix the two until high school when someone introduced me to the drug. I love trance, house, dnb, breakbeat, rap, everything. Some people who go to the clubs just to get ed up, you can tell who they are. It's not hard. |
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| Purple |
Trance was invented to enhance the experience of a drug trip.
Both are inseperable from each other. Without drugs trance is incomplete, and without Trance drug trip is incomplete. |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Trance was invented to enhance the experience of a drug trip.
Both are inseperable from each other. Without drugs trance is incomplete, and without Trance drug trip is incomplete. |
you're talking cod. It is perfectly possible to have a complete trance experience without the use of drugs. If you can't accept that some people don't need to take anything to get their full enjoyment, you know where the razors are kept, use them. |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
you're talking cod. It is perfectly possible to have a complete trance experience without the use of drugs. If you can't accept that some people don't need to take anything to get their full enjoyment, you know where the razors are kept, use them. |
+1, coming from a drug user. |
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| nerdgrl416 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Trance was invented to enhance the experience of a drug trip.
Both are inseperable from each other. Without drugs trance is incomplete, and without Trance drug trip is incomplete. |
-1 |
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| SW20 |
Why would I want to enhance the feeling trance gives me? If there's a good set I'll be totally flying anyway, I don't need drugs.
Surely you can say that using *insert drug name here* "enhances" ANY experience - but in the long run, I'd rather like something for what it is instead of how I felt it was when I was on drugs.
If your love of trance music is from the heart, then you don't need or want anything else. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by SW20
If your love of trance music is from the heart, then you don't need or want anything else. |
Now that right there is just plain sad. |
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