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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Just a question:
If the Liberals are yet again voted into a minority government, can there be another vote of no confidence? What if that vote goes through too, and the government is disolved, can they be relected?
Can it just go on, and on and on? |
No, in that case it's the Governor General's duty to allow Stephen Harper to form the government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King-Byng_affair
However, since the GG was appointed by Martin (and not the British government), you can bet that she'll flaunt constitutional conventions to support the Lieberals.
Oh, and she's a separatist too, so you can bet that will come into play as well (supporting Lieberals would lead to the break-up of Canada). |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
No, in that case it's the Governor General's duty to allow Stephen Harper to form the government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King-Byng_affair
However, since the GG was appointed by Martin (and not the British government), you can bet that she'll flaunt constitutional conventions to support the Lieberals.
Oh, and she's a separatist too, so you can bet that will come into play as well (supporting Lieberals would lead to the break-up of Canada). |
no...that is NOT automatically the GG's duty. I believe your not properly applying that precedent, but correct me if I'm wrong:
AFTER an election, the Governor-General could support an outgoing gov't (e.g. Martin's Liberals) in the event of an opposition (Conservative) minority win, *if* the outgoing gov't gained the confidence of the house (i.e. Liberals would have to arrange a deal with the NDP and/or Bloq to form a majority gov't, which could in theory happen if the NDP and/or Bloq didn't want Harper to become PM).
What happened back then was just that...outgoing gov't requested that they maintain power, despite losing the election, because they brokered a deal to form a majority with another party...that deal eventually fell apart, so the opposition who won the election with a minority then assumed power. An immediate non-confidence vote followed, bringing down that minority gov't, and the original outgoing gov't party won the following election.
source: http://www.mapleleafweb.com/feature...ity-govern.html
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The Role of the Governor General
Normally, the Governor General plays a symbolic role in a federal election, automatically granting the prime minister’s request to dissolve Parliament at the beginning of the election campaign, and then calling on the victorious party to form a Cabinet.
However, the governor general’s role is less clear in the case where another political party defeats the current government, but doesn’t receive enough votes for a majority. In that case, the prime minister and Cabinet may request to stay in power as long as they can maintain the confidence of the House. In order to do so, they would have to demonstrate they have the support of a third party, and that this would give them a majority. Based on the political precedent of the 1925 election, the governor general may grant this request.
For example, if the Conservatives would have won a minority on June 28th, 2004, the governing Liberals could have remained in power if Prime Minister Martin could have demonstrated to Governor General Adrienne Clarkson that he had reached an agreement with the NDP. Under this scenario, the governor general would have only turn to the Conservatives if the Liberals were unable to broker a deal with the NDP, or lacked enough votes to form a majority even with their support.
The circumstances surrounding the 1925 constitutional crisis between Prime Minister Mackenzie King and Governor General Lord Byng are as follows:
In 1925, the governing Liberals lost the election, winning only 99 out of 245 seats.
The Conservatives won 116 out of 245 seats, which would have given them a minority government.
Because he had the support of the Progressive Party, giving him a majority in the House of Commons, Liberal leader Mackenzie King asked Governor General Lord Byng not to dissolve Parliament. The governor general granted King’s request.
Due to a scandal, King lost the Progressives’ support and asked the governor general to call an election.
Byng refused, and called on Conservative Leader Arthur Meighen to form the government. Four days after taking power, the House passed a non-confidence motion, bringing down Meighen’s government.
The Conservatives lost the following election. |
i.e. the GG does not have the power to simply "help the Liberals".
The Liberals would 1. have to lose the election with another party winning with only a minority, and 2. broker a deal with another party/parties to form a majority gov't in order to approach the GG to keep them in power. |
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| VERTiG0 |
Make me the PM. Free ice cream for all.
Also chocolate chip muffins. |
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| Tordan |
| Jack Layton can go himself. I wish the NDP would just disappear so their voters will have to decide between the Liberals or Conservatives. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
Jack Layton can go himself. I wish the NDP would just disappear so their voters will have to decide between the Liberals or Conservatives. |
Why? |
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| Orko |
So any good noob reading material for the Politically challenged?
I would really like to be able to make an informed decision this time around. I will be paying a visit to each of the parties' websites, but I was just wondering if any of you have any other good resources which you draw upon frequently? |
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| Jayx1 |
| id just go to their actual sites. Its the direct from the horses mouth message without media interference or someone's opinion getting in the way. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tordan
Jack Layton can go himself. I wish the NDP would just disappear so their voters will have to decide between the Liberals or Conservatives. |
he is a smimey little bastard isnt he?
But i have to admit, as much as i think the NDP is a joke, they do serve a purpose as to round out the political spectrum. I say keep em. Although if they ever do form a government im emptying my canadian bank accounts and making a run for the border. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
he is a smimey little bastard isnt he?
But i have to admit, as much as i think the NDP is a joke, they do serve a purpose as to round out the political spectrum. I say keep em. Although if they ever do form a government im emptying my canadian bank accounts and making a run for the border. |
I'd say the Bloc has better odds of forming a govt than the NDP.
Then again, stranger things have happened in Canadian politics. (Anyone remember Bob Rae for Ontario premier? And how... interesting that yrs were) |
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| Jayx1 |
and funny how the socialists , teachers and health care workers were bashing harris and the "uncaring right wing". Meanwhile i remember them groaning about "rae days" and other budget cuts with the NDP in an era of record deficits. Much like what we have today with the Liberals.
The tories actually INCREASED spending and opened new beds during their time. |
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| Spam |
Martin has proven to be a HORRIBLE leader, both for his party and Canada.
He took what was projected to be the biggest majority victory in Canada's history, and with some help from AdScam, turned the Liberals into a minority government. And since that, he's only succeeded in making his party even LESS popular in Canada. He obviously can't lead his party, and you want this guy leading our COUNTRY?! I bet he couldn't run a successful Tim Hortons!
He's talked a lot of big talk and made up some neato headline quotes. But what has he actually DONE? I'm thinking really hard about this, and other than get off scott-free for AdScam, pissing off the USA and electing a seperatist Governer General, I can't really think of anything he's accomplished. Hell, the only reason his recent budget passed was because Jack Layton (who actually IS a capable leader, and who I'd like if he wasn't even more of a hippy than the Liberals) bailed him out. Hell, even the strength of our economy since Mulroney was booted, that the Liberals refer to as their success, can be directly linked to NAFTA, which was put into place by the Progressive Conservatives in the first place. Hell, I'd even prefer it if I had something that he DID to complain about, but the only thing Paul Martin does is talk, and then think about doing what he just talked about.
In the meantime his party has wasted billions of dollars of our money, (and that's just what we know of), and made us the laughing stock of the Western world. (really, we are, despite what all the highschool textbooks say).
I'd say Harper's looking pretty good right about now. |
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