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Why Stephen Harper won't win the election... (pg. 10)
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| Chiclet |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wyndham
lol the only reason they have these rights is because martin forced the vote, which was bull. If it was done properly by the liberals in the first place, it would never have come to this and would be a non issue for harper. But martin wanted to be known as the PM that legalized it so it was done undemocratically. |
Oops, didn't see this right away.
Good point. I agree, mostly.
I was talking about where they stand politically as opposed to personally... and that reason being why I think Harper will likely lose the gay vote and possibly the election, not whether Martin did the most proper job of bringing on gay marriage.
Whether it would have been a non-issue or not for Harper if things happened differently, things happened this way and he made his stance known. Because of that, it will probably affect his votes. |
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| Chiclet |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
^So it's better if it's arbitrarily defined in a court by few guys? (and girls)? |
If it has to do with affording basic human rights and not denying them... sometimes, yeah.
Oh, here we go... I'll say it! I think marriage is a right that should be given to every consenting couple who wishes to have it. The existence of that basic right shouldn't be decided by some popularity vote. It should be decided by what is most in-line with extending freedom to our citizens. Oftentimes, what is popular isn't what is best for us. (i.e. racial segregation in the States probably wouldn't have been eliminated as quickly if it were left mere to a 'democratic' vote).
Though we don't have as grand acts of civil disobedience and the way it happened was most certainly rushed, I think that overall, legalizing same-sex marriage has made our country progress, if even by fluke, whether we want it now or not. I can almost guarantee that in 15-20 years, this will be as much of an issue as interracial marriage. That, and many of us will be bragging about how our country was one of the first to do it.
Now that's only my opinion. :)
PS, I like your tree icon. |
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| Jayx1 |
| Chiclet I agree with you that marriage is something for all people to enjoy. I also agree with you that some religious people are nuts and some are even bigots. However religion is theirs to choose to believe in or not. All im saying is that despite Harper's personal views i doubt highly that gay marriage will be revoked even if the conservatives win. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
Will Harper get right up Bush's ass though? I honestly dont' know who I'm voting for....I've always voted Liberal but I just don't feel right doing it again.
Will Harper, for example, put our boys in Iraq? (unlikely given the fact that Canadians are overwhelmingly against that war and that decision would topple his likely minority government)
Will he get Canada back into the missile defence plans with the yanks? |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Will Harper get right up Bush's ass though? I honestly dont' know who I'm voting for....I've always voted Liberal but I just don't feel right doing it again.
Will Harper, for example, put our boys in Iraq? (unlikely given the fact that Canadians are overwhelmingly against that war and that decision would topple his likely minority government)
Will he get Canada back into the missile defence plans with the yanks? |
At this point he would probably not send anyone to iraq since everyone knows that it was a sham. As for missle defense. Well maybe. But ill postulate this thought. The americans are doing it with or without us. They are using our airspace whether we like it or not. When the americans asked us to sign on they werent asking for much money if any. They wanted to give us the opportunity to have canadian officials present at NORAD overseeing something that ultimatly will affect our airspace as well. Id argue that this actually gives us MORE SOVERIEGNTY that we have now.
Yes missle defense is a big waste of time and money. But id rather have canadians overseeing it and having a say in it than having it us affect us with no monitoring at all.
But of course if you listen to the typical left wing media they would never tell you that side of the story. |
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| Chiclet |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Chiclet I agree with you that marriage is something for all people to enjoy. I also agree with you that some religious people are nuts and some are even bigots. However religion is theirs to choose to believe in or not. All im saying is that despite Harper's personal views i doubt highly that gay marriage will be revoked even if the conservatives win. |
Yeah, I agree. I also think that a lot of people don't even think it should be up for question, though.
I think many people will be feeling quite ambivalent about who to vote for this time around. It sucks that a lot of us will be voting defensively, no matter what side of the spectrum we're on. |
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| EvilTree |
Harper's not going to send troops to Iraq, simply because the CDS will have a fit. I don't think Harper has the balls to stand up to Gen Hillier, nor does Canada have resources to commit to both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Nor to mention highly unpopular with most of Canadian public, even the Conservatives. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Harper's not going to send troops to Iraq, simply because the CDS will have a fit. I don't think Harper has the balls to stand up to Gen Hillier, nor does Canada have resources to commit to both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Nor to mention highly unpopular with most of Canadian public, even the Conservatives. |
exactly...
but it doesnt mean the media wont use it as a red herring to try and scare people. |
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| 7-4-7 |
| ...oh and because he looks like an automoton, robot who freaks me out. Nah I will vote for the underdog, not the dog...the underdog. Every conservative I know, takes a little longer to laugh at jokes, s more often than most and likes strange sex....maybe I just have wierd friends who just happen to be conservative supporters. |
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| Chiclet |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
...oh and because he looks like an automoton, robot who freaks me out. Nah I will vote for the underdog, not the dog...the underdog. Every conservative I know, takes a little longer to laugh at jokes, s more often than most and likes strange sex....maybe I just have wierd friends who just happen to be conservative supporters. |
LOL |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by 7-4-7
...oh and because he looks like an automoton, robot who freaks me out. Nah I will vote for the underdog, not the dog...the underdog. Every conservative I know, takes a little longer to laugh at jokes, s more often than most and likes strange sex....maybe I just have wierd friends who just happen to be conservative supporters. |
Great reason to not vote conservative
"he doesnt look cool"
Well i have to say that my mother always told me that usually the least charming people are the most honest ones. ANd from experience shes proven to be right. |
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| DigiNut |
Send troops to Iraq? WHAT troops? I think the American troops would rather just do their job than have to bail out the Canadian troops (AKA hostages) once again.
The gay marriage issue was not "progress". An issue that is forced by the courts, who are supposed to be upholding the law instead of making the law, and then forced undemocratically by the government without consent of the people, is not "progress". I would never have had any problem with it, nor would Harper or his government have had any problem with it, if it were put to a vote as it should have been. Our constitutional documents mention nothing about gay marriage - however "right" or "wrong" you think it was to "legalize" it, it's downright sad that "rights" in Canada have become merely a tool for special interest groups to impose their will on the population when they can't push their agenda past a democratic majority.
As for missile defense, I can't believe there are still people out there who have the chutzpah to bitch and moan about the U.S. giving us an opportunity to pay virtually nothing but still be protected by and have partial control over the missile defense system. You think it's a waste of time and money? Compare the costs of building that system to the cost of a missile hitting a major U.S. city. Hopefully Harper will cooperate with the USA if he gets elected because that's what our country SHOULD be doing instead of talking smack about them all the time.
And Mike Harris being responsible for bad spending in Ontario? HAH! Mike Harris was the best thing that's happened to this province in over 20 years - the only problem was that he didn't get to follow his plan through to the end because millions of whiney liberals and trade unions couldn't stand the idea that he was cutting spending on their precious social programs. So they voted in McGuinty, who has so far broken EVERY SINGLE PROMISE he's made (he raised taxes his first day in office for Christ's sake, after specifically promising that he wouldn't), and looks suspiciously like he's about to break yet another promise with the Smart Metering initiative.
Jesus, talk about having the wool pulled over your eyes... I could actually stomach this thread on the first page but now I think the Loony Left has invaded and taken over. |
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