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Why Stephen Harper won't win the election... (pg. 6)
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
He doesn't "get it" and while those who do "get it" often take advantage of the situation, IMHO you have to at least "get it" to be able to do the job. He seems so out of touch with how to play the game...and it IS a game to reach that position.
btw...anyone notice that the lunatic Carolyn Parrish isn't running again? YAY! lol |
It used to be that your political skill was less important. Mackenzie King was a in' whack job with almost no interpersonal skills, however, he managed to get elected and severed more time in office then any PM because he was fantastically intelligent. Unfortunately that was 70 years ago.... modern media highlights style over content. Mackenzie King would never be prime minister today. Mr. Harper (regardless of his merit as a policywog) suffers from a severe lack of style. Is this right or good.... of course not, but it's real.
With regard to Parrish..... now there is a good politition! Hear me out, don't jump down my throat quite yet. Parrish's riding has a huge consentration of Arab decendants and recent immigrants. Her bashing of Bush and the war in Iraq endeared her to that population. It would have been a great political move if only she could have pulled it off with a little more tact. Regardless, she did manage to be re-elected.... a testiment to her skill at winning the hearts of a local electorate? |
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| EvilTree |
^Heh. You'd have to wonder how someone who likes to talk to ghosts ever became a PM. :D
On issue of MPs representing their constituents, well, you also have to realize that they also have their party line they have to toe, or they'd get booted.
Now the IDEAL MP is the one who puts his riding before his party. In a lot of cases, belonging to a party gives an MP more clout because whether you like it or not, people do vote for the party, not necessarily the candidate. This became to happen because people get too busy and people don't pay enough attention to what their MPs are doing on their behalf, unless one pays a lot of attention to local politics. I mean, how many people have time to read the national news, let alone local news nowadays?
So you have the ideal and the reality. In most cases, the ideal and the reality are in line most of the times. But when it doesn't, well, the result gets interesting. |
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| malek |
can you guys imagine a conservative govt with no one elected in Quebec???
thats one hell of a mind bender for Harper....:) |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
can you guys imagine a conservative govt with no one elected in Quebec???
thats one hell of a mind bender for Harper....:) |
It's possible but not probable and certainly problematic to say the least.
Malek, I'm curious to hear your thought on Duceppe. I like him. I think I would prefer him as PM over all the other leaders if that didn't mean having the Bloc comprise the governing party. I presume that you would have greater familiarity with him then we would here, how do you assess the man. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ I think Duceppe is a remarkable speaker...seems to be very astute, intelligent, etc. I agree with much of what he has to say from both economic and social standpoints and quite enjoyed listening to him during the debates last time.
If only he was leading a national party... |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
^^^ I think Duceppe is a remarkable speaker...seems to be very astute, intelligent, etc. I agree with much of what he has to say from both economic and social standpoints and quite enjoyed listening to him during the debates last time.
If only he was leading a national party... |
my thinking as well. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
my thinking as well. |
Heh. Harper can't lick Duceppe's balls when it comes to interviews and debates. Layton just comes off to me as a slimy bastard.
Duceppe does have his foot in mouth comments though. Like that Quebec should send its own hockey team to Olympics comment. |
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| Allegory |
I come from Quebec as well, and although I don't follow the politics as much, I clearly remember a very different politician from 6 years ago during the federal debate with Alexa McDonough, Jean cretien, joe clark.
Gilles Duceppe's voice barely resonated, his english was not as good and he and alexa struggled so much that the moderator had to ask to let them have their turn to speak. I remember questioning his capability until I saw him in French language interviews and realised he was well spoken and very bright.
I guess after become leader of the party his exposure to English increased and he has since become very articulate. His voice is very powerful, and his presence in Quebec is powerful because he truly represents what the people want.
The thing is, I think what makes Quebec different is that we're not as conservative in general, and haven't been for many years. Although I have grown to really love living in Ontario, I am constantly taken aback at how conservative it is in comparison to Quebec.
I don't know that Gilles Duceppe would succeed as a national party leader, because I think there are an overwhelming amount of Canadians who prefer the lip service that the liberals and conservatives offer. Unfortunately we quickly forget the awful time we had with Mulroney in power.
While I do agree that the Liberals aren't that great, I shudder at the thought of Harper leading this country.
that's just my two cents :D |
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| Jayx1 |
| i shudder even more at the prospect of canadians re electing known criminals and rewarding crime and lying with another term. |
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| Allegory |
Lets be honest. Our scandal pales in comparison to what's happening in many countries. If it wasn't the gomery inquiry, people would be going off on something else.
There are literally millions of people swimming in corrutpion far more grand then we could possibly ever fathom; perhaps we should look to our neighbours to the south. People are dying everyday. Most Afrcian countries don't even have a government to speak of, let alone know the meaning of democracy.
let's be honest people, what we deal with is small potatoes. And you can be as disgruntled as you'd like, but I'm sure there are many people who would do anything to switch places with a Canadian.
That's all I have to say. discussion closed for me. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by djeso
don't ing talk to me about politics.
the gst and pst taxes have me going around like a crazy donkey..
did i get an std from that last tax i paid for, probably.
ing politicians, liars and monkies.
them all, and vote for anarchy and djs on djlist.
me especially since i make you all dance like frogs on the paris frying pan. |
Coupled with your post in "waitresses r people too" thread, I sense some anger in you, young Jedi. |
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| malek |
Duceppe is a friggin bright man, I don't think there's a politician on the Federal level that can match him at the moment.
I remember that almost 2 years before the gomery scandal, he was talking about the fraud going on with the sponsorship program, and his claims were very detailed... but no one listened to him because he's an evil separatist.
If he could run for the PC as head of party, he would win the elections hands down and demolish the PLC with a 200+ seats govt. |
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