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Why Stephen Harper won't win the election... (pg. 13)
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chiclet
In terms of same-sex marriage, what 'expense' to the majority are you talking about? No priest will be 'forced' to perform same-sex marriage. There may be some couples who will try to sue, that happens with everything.
Other than that, how does letting gay people marry detract from anyone's rights in ANY way?
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But I was not talking in terms of same sex marriage... |
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| Chiclet |
Here is a great speech from John Lewis, a Representative from Georgia regarding DOMA:
| quote: | Mr. LEWIS of Georgia.
Mr. Chairman, I want to thank my friend and colleague for yielding me the time.
Let me say to the gentleman that when I was growing up in the south during the 1940s and the 1950s, the great majority of the people in that region believed that black people should not be able to enter places of public accommodation, and they felt that black people should not be able to register to vote, and many people felt that was right but that was wrong. I think as politicians, as elected officials, we should not only follow but we must lead, lead our districts, not put our fingers into the wind to see which way the air is blowing but be leaders.
Mr. Chairman, this is a mean bill. It is cruel. This bill seeks to divide our nation, turn Americans against Americans, sew the seeds of fear, hatred and intolerance. Let us remember the Preamble of the Declaration of Independence: We hold these truths self-evident that all people are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. Among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This bill is a slap in the face of the Declaration of Independence. It denies gay men and women the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Marriage is a basic human right. You cannot tell people they cannot fall in love. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. used to say when people talked about interracial marriage and I quote, ``Races do not fall in love and get married. Individuals fall in love and get married.''
Why do you not want your fellow men and women, your fellow Americans to be happy? Why do you attack them? Why do you want to destroy the love they hold in their hearts? Why do you want to crush their hopes, their dreams, their longings, their aspirations?
We are talking about human beings, people like you, people who want to get married, buy a house, and spend their lives with the one they love. They have done no wrong.
I will not turn my back on another American. I will not oppress my fellow human being. I have fought too hard and too long against discrimination based on race and color not to stand up against discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Mr. Chairman, I have known racism. I have known bigotry. This bill stinks of the same fear, hatred and intolerance. It should not be called the Defense of Marriage Act. It should be called the defense of mean-spirited bigots act.
I urge my colleagues to oppose this bill, to have the courage to do what is right. This bill appeals to our worst fears and emotions. It encourages hatred of our fellow Americans for political advantage. Every word, every purpose, every message is wrong. It is not the right thing to do, to divide Americans.
We are moving toward the 21st century. Let us come together and create one nation, one people, one family, one house, the American house, the American family, the American nation. |
And for those of you who argue for Civil Unions instead, all the Civil Unions that exist now, do not afford all the same rights. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chiclet
Here is a great speech from John Lewis, a Representative from Georgia regarding DOMA:
And for those of you who argue for Civil Unions instead, all the Civil Unions that exist now, do not afford all the same rights. |
And what if civil union is changed so that it does afford equal rights as a marriage? |
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| mr_obvious |
bigots and haters
bigots and haters
bigots and haters
It's funny how some on this board hide their true feelings by arguing law and god. Why not just admit what you are instead of poorly trying to hide behind a cloak of transparent jibberish.
This isn't directed at everyone, just a select few and if you're asking "is he talking about me" then chances are the answer is yes.
bigot and hater, fine....but why add coward to it? |
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| Chiclet |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
But I was not talking in terms of same sex marriage... |
Bah Hum Bug! |
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| Chiclet |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
And what if civil union is changed so that it does afford equal rights as a marriage? |
Is that even possible? It could even be as simple as trying to get a family vacation package and being denied it because you are not "married".
There are some churches that support same-sex marriage. I don't know, but can they have a religious 'civil union'?
There some other issues that can come up solely based on the name that I can't think of right this moment. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
There is a simple answer to that one...
Trudeau cozying up to the french for political advantage. This is why the rest of canada muddles along through bilingualism yet quebec is allowed to get away with french only. |
are you kidding me? There's no more bilingual city like Montreal or sheer bilinguals than in Quebec.
Where else can you be served in Canada? nowhere man, bilingualism is just a facade. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chiclet
Is that even possible? It could even be as simple as trying to get a family vacation package and being denied it because you are not "married".
There are some churches that support same-sex marriage. I don't know, but can they have a religious 'civil union'?
There some other issues that can come up solely based on the name that I can't think of right this moment. |
Well, we're just talking about same sex marriage in context of Canadian law, right?
If law is passed that civil union equals marriage in every aspect, then any discrimination against it based on it being 'merely' civil union would be against the law.
I believe that a lot of religious types are against same sex marriage is the use of word 'marriage' which to them is sacred as bond between a man and a woman blessed by God or Allah or whoever.
I dunno. I just think civil union equating to marriage is good enough compromise for all parties. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
are you kidding me? There's no more bilingual city like Montreal or sheer bilinguals than in Quebec.
Where else can you be served in Canada? nowhere man, bilingualism is just a facade. |
New Brunswick? |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
New Brunswick? |
and they fought for it... |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Not quite, when the majority can't do much against laws and legislations that promotes minority rights at the expense of the majority.
Probably a bad example, but take for instance bilingualism. Now the anglophones are the majority in Canada. A lot of them don't care about French. But the govt decided that French must be on every product in Canada. French services for govt is to be available everywhere.
Is this a bad thing? That's up for debate.
But it is an example of minority pressing its right over the majority with perceived expense of the majority. |
French is an official language because of Canada's history... (i guess you guys landed in Ontario with helicopters). French and English used to have about the same population in numbers... but English spreaded faster (like a bad cancer :p) and some actions by the English didn't help French either like the deprortation of French living in New Brunswick, or the extermination of the (French) metis in Manitoba... |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
French is an official language because of Canada's history... (i guess you guys landed in Ontario with helicopters). French and English used to have about the same population in numbers... but English spreaded faster (like a bad cancer :p) and some actions by the English didn't help French either like the deprortation of French living in New Brunswick, or the extermination of the (French) metis in Manitoba... |
Not my intention to debate history of French Canada... Merely trying to give an example of tyranny of minority. :p
I knew that was a bad example. :D |
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