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What is going on with trance (pg. 2)
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| armanivespucci |
| quote: | | No one stopping you from leading a melodic revival |
Woot. Maybe I should make an alliance.;) |
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| jetflag |
listened to a rank-1 & a mark norman set lately..:gsmile: ...100% pure trance..no proggie, no house, no tech. just trance
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| paulc_dj |
| quote: | Originally posted by jetflag
listened to a rank-1 & a mark norman set lately..:gsmile: ...100% pure trance..no proggie, no house, no tech. just trance
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) |
I agree! Listen to any AVB set or ASOT and it will be pure trance. The man lives and breathes for trance!
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| Final Call |
| But will that classic sound ever come back? I'm talking about the days of 99-01. Imo trance nowadays seems too complex..with like 5 billion over layered synths and percussion and stuff.It would be nice to hear a simple pure trance tune again. I think im saying this because usually when i make a track..i end up making up a song that reminds me of the old days and not many people really like that anymore.It's like is trance evolving? or dying at the same exact time. |
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| thecYrus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Final Call
But will that classic sound ever come back? I'm talking about the days of 99-01. Imo trance nowadays seems too complex..with like 5 billion over layered synths and percussion and stuff.It would be nice to hear a simple pure trance tune again. I think im saying this because usually when i make a track..i end up making up a song that reminds me of the old days and not many people really like that anymore.It's like is trance evolving? or dying at the same exact time. |
well, trance grows with the technology. all those old tunes has the quality of a todays newbie knowledge (well, excluding some music theory), so the pros have to go upstairs and make the quality much more outstanding. |
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| dj jasonF |
| the problem with music being used on dj sets is that you cant make a trance (for example) tune with your standards or with 99's or early 90's standards.. its not going to be mixable so even if its good, djs wont play it... try dropin a dance 2 trance track after a 2005 production... this is one of the reasons serius electronic dance music should be done properly with musicians and not djs imo. its just limiting to the genre... but who cares about music anyways... |
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| paulc_dj |
| quote: | Originally posted by the Cyrus
well, trance grows with the technology. all those old tunes has the quality of a todays newbie knowledge (well, excluding some music theory), so the pros have to go upstairs and make the quality much more outstanding. |
I agree, the people that made those classic tunes, have now got 6 years more experience under their belts and more importantly 6 years worth of new technology to use. That is why everything sounds so complex and layered now, because they can!
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| armanivespucci |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulc_dj
I agree, the people that made those classic tunes, have now got 6 years more experience under their belts and more importantly 6 years worth of new technology to use. That is why everything sounds so complex and layered now, because they can!
PC :tongue2 |
What I'd like to hear is the same percussive/ambient mastery of the trance of '05 mixed with the melodic complexity of the old school, maybe taking the melodic complexity and theory even a step higher. Then again, I think we may be jumping to conclusions. I thought about it, and I think epic/melodic isn't DEAD, it's just not dominant. Armin still busts out with the classical music theory and choirs once in a while, while DI.fm is preferential to whatever melodic trance is getting made these days.
I think it's an ideological battle, really. I used to listen to trance and stand proud in my niche of EDM- trance was more musical in '99-01 than any other EDM genre, certainly house or techno. Some of my most nostalgic teenage moments were scored by classic trance (my first girlfriend listened to it a lot). So, I guess I'm protective of it by default. Seriously, though, I just don't want to see trance turn into a subgenre of techno/progressive house. |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | | Really, all trance ever was was tech house with a dash of EBM for flavor. I'm actually pretty glad that it's been heading back towards the slow-moving, trippier prog sounds. |
errr. no it wasnt?
EBM has nothing to do with trance - more like electro. from europe.
Trance for me has always been about constant rythym and repetition. melody has always been a secondary consideration although these days it has become more melodic, more musical. Early trance and some psytrance does acheive alot of its stated aims and their aint that much melody in it, put it that way. Constant basslines, constant drums.
I also think that trance has always had a necessarily progressive aspect to it. Alot of old trancers and old psytrancers build very slowly and tentatively to a climactic point right at the end of the song. Space Cat - Beam Me Up is a classic for this purpose - you can hear sounds panned everywhere and its hitting you from every direction and gradually this 303 acid line fades and filters in so slowly and imperceptibly that you dont even know its there until its fully in the mix.
Protoculture writes alot of tunes where the bass and drums drop out for like 30 seconds out of an entire song lasting 8 minutes. Silicon Sunrise has this bassline that just never stops - 1/16ths all the way and 1 note only.
Older trancers like Castle Trancealott - Indoctrinate just keep the kicks and the basslines going. Theres like a 15 second breakdown half way through and the bass is still going through that. Same with Union Jack - Two Full moons and a Trout. The bass is always going. Few and short breakdowns. Astral Projection have done tracks where there are no breakdowns at all - check out the song Nilaya.
After a while you lose a sense of the kicks and basslines going on in these tracks because of the seamless mixing. gradually more elements and sounds move into the mix and the focus shifts away from the bass and drums. then when the bass suddenly drops out near the end, you kind of wake up and go 'whoa! ive been listening to this track for 7 minutes and it feels like 2!'
That for me is trance. You actually float off into a daydream for half the song. I appreciate this doesnt make a genre, and that many artists outside of trance are good at doing this. For instance, The Orb, whose 40 minute version of blue room will probably be the quickest 40 minutes of your life.
But its the essence of it: inducing a hypnotic state through constant repetition. You can see similar principles in indian ethnic music dating back to fu.ck knows when.
What is known now as trance to me has too many breakdowns, too many drops and too many breaks for it to induce a hypnotic state. I am constantly being taken out of the mix by these spasticated snare rolls, breakbeat fills and massive buildups. I like that stuff too but its not music to daydream to :\
Technology will change the face of the music but it wont change its essence - The fundamental principles behind the music. The producers will do that. How? by mixing things up. Everyone derives inspiration from more than one source, and they are often not exclusively trance records. Piano house had a big impact on commercial european trance.
There are still great trance producers out there - like Jaia and Space Cat (both considered Psytrance) - you just need to look a bit harder to find it. |
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| Icone |
| quote: | Originally posted by paulc_dj
I agree! Listen to any AVB set or ASOT and it will be pure trance. The man lives and breathes for trance!
PC :tongue2 |
Heh, I wouldn't say ASOT is a good example of what pure trance is nowadays (or rather WAS)... |
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| Icone |
| quote: | Originally posted by Final Call
But will that classic sound ever come back? I'm talking about the days of 99-01. Imo trance nowadays seems too complex..with like 5 billion over layered synths and percussion and stuff.It would be nice to hear a simple pure trance tune again. I think im saying this because usually when i make a track..i end up making up a song that reminds me of the old days and not many people really like that anymore.It's like is trance evolving? or dying at the same exact time. |
It's a clever thought, I am actually thinking along the same lines... My impression is that there are more 'sound engineers' having a go at trance, creating production-wise complex and seamingly 'perfect' tracks, though have an extremely low chance of being remembered for, say, two weeks. Melodic-wise I feel about %80 (or more) of todays trance is VERY average.
Real componists are very scarse I think. I know a few and you immediately can feel a big difference in trance music that is released nowdays and the music they write.
Call me nostalgic, though that 99/01 period is really my favourite time too. You still hear many people talk about many tracks that were out back then. I doubt very much people will be talking as much about tracks that are released these last couple of years in say 5 years... |
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| richg101 |
people laugh about ian van dahl and alice dj now.. but how amazing were they in the day!
do you think your better off alone?.....
do you think your better off alone?....
awsome! |
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