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What is going on with trance (pg. 3)
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| KilldaDJ |
i think tech trance is a good definition of trance
its got all the basic elements of the 'early' sorta trance but with a 'newer' sound if anyone gets me
trance aint what it used to be :( |
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| Final Call |
| quote: | Originally posted by Icone
It's a clever thought, I am actually thinking along the same lines... My impression is that there are more 'sound engineers' having a go at trance, creating production-wise complex and seamingly 'perfect' tracks, though have an extremely low chance of being remembered for, say, two weeks. Melodic-wise I feel about %80 (or more) of todays trance is VERY average.
Real componists are very scarse I think. I know a few and you immediately can feel a big difference in trance music that is released nowdays and the music they write.
Call me nostalgic, though that 99/01 period is really my favourite time too. You still hear many people talk about many tracks that were out back then. I doubt very much people will be talking as much about tracks that are released these last couple of years in say 5 years... |
Yeah i talk about tunes from that time period all the time. LOL and i dont understand who ever said that if u listen to ASOT and you'll hear pure trance...i still hear progressive crap. :( |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
errr. no it wasnt?
EBM has nothing to do with trance - more like electro. from europe. |
Funny that you say this right before mentioning bands like Astral Projection, Space Cat and Jaia, all of whom produce psy trance, a style that takes influence almost directly from EBM. In fact, most early trance picked up its dark mood from EBM and/or industrial.
If you don't believe me, go listen to Hyperborea - Choir Egography, or Komikano - Dark Zone. Hell, listen to Age of Love - Age of Love, and tell me that that bassline couldn't also appear in EBM.
| quote: | | listened to a rank-1 & a mark norman set lately.. ...100% pure trance..no proggie, no house, no tech. just trance |
Anything by Rank 1 is not "pure trance." Pure trance would be something like Odysee of Noises - Firedance or Dance 2 Trance - We Came in Peace. You can like Rank 1 all you want; they did make excellent music, but they're far from pure trance.
Like Derivative said, trance at its purest rarely ever used breakdowns. And the breakdowns that were there were rarly ever very long.
In fact, melodies and breakdowns didn't start to come to the fore in trance until prog came along. All of the things that people laud artists like Rank 1 and Ferry Corsten for started with the bittersweet music of LSG - Netherworld, Garbage - Milk, and Sasha - Xpander. Prog just maintained the rhythmic drive that artists from the 99-01 era eschewed. |
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| dj jasonF |
i always thought that Dance2Trance - we came in peace was like the start of prog trance and age of love as the start of epic uplifting etc... im not sure ive heard the original age of love but the early mixes ive heard lead to the epic style.
| quote: | | In fact, melodies and breakdowns didn't start to come to the fore in trance until prog came along |
ever heard any tangerine dream & cosmic baby albums? |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj jasonF
i always thought that Dance2Trance - we came in peace was like the start of prog trance and age of love as the start of epic uplifting etc... im not sure ive heard the original age of love but the early mixes ive heard lead to the epic style. |
The reason that Dance 2 Trance sounds like a lot of prog trance is because prog trance didn't really change the trance sound much. Prog did more to change the structure. Both We came in Peace and Netherworld have a rhythmic groove that's easy to get lost in.
As far as the relationship between Age of Love and epic trance goes, that's why it's all called trance. There are inescapable similarities between even the first trance songs and productions from 99-01. It doesn't mean they're the same subgenre. The point of these sugenres is to distinguish Age of Love from, say, Out of the Blue, and if you know what to listen for, the two are extremely different. Personally, though, I observe more similarities between Age of Love and Goa: heavy bassline, a lot of the same sound effects, and the cheesy chorus pad to boot.
| quote: | | ever heard any tangerine dream & cosmic baby albums? |
I've heard Phaedra and Rubycon. Those two albums were certainly not trance. They were ambient. As far as I can tell, Tangerine Dream has never produced a song that could be labelled as trance.
I'm not saying there were absolutely no melodies in early trance. Obviously, even We Came in Peace has melodic elements. Underworld - Bigmouth also has a melodic progression (not to mention the distinction of being the only trance song I've heard to feature a harmonica). The song just didn't build to them and them alone.
What I am saying, however, is that these melodies are inconsequential to "pure" trance. Listen to a track like Spicelab - Feathers (Humates Flying Hig Mix). It's wonderfully trancy with very little in the way of melody. |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | | In fact, most early trance picked up its dark mood from EBM and/or industrial. |
firstly, EBM and industrial have absolutely nothing in common. for a start, ebm is vaguely musical whereas industrial is almost completely devoid of any kind of structure or musicallity. industrial music is a concept formed by throbbing gristle as a type of 'working class' music (hence the name 'industrial'). it was essentially art that anyone, regardless of skill could create. this is why it is commonly thought of as junk noise. if anything, industrial has its routes in pure ambient music - since that is what essentially is - random, unorganised and incidental sound.
to see my point check out the following industrial tracks:
spk - slogun
whitehouse - movement 2000
zoviet france - mosland
cabaret voltaire - eastern mantra
EBM is a term coined by front 242 who are widely considered to be the founders of EBM. originally, they wanted their music called 'electro funk' but it never caught on. EBM has nothing to do with trance or industrial since they all evolved from completely different principles in music.
to hear what EBM sounds like:
front 242 - headhunter
project pitchfork - souls
velvet acid christ - icon
cyberaktif - nothing stays
i fail to see how any EBM or industrial has any connection to trance. music that is dark in tone has existed for centuries. millenia even. modern EBM has a fetishistic influence that runs parallel to the 'goth' scene and alot of goth rock kind of shares similarities in terms of the imagery and sounds used by EBM artists. chiasm is one of these.
most early trance, and i am refering to cosmic baby, union jack, odysee of noise, cygnus x, castle trancealott and so forth, if anything have a common root in middle eastern music, which is also a common root of psychadellic trance.
early trance records like union jack - two full moons and a trout and cygnus x - superstrings (the eye q release) have those digeridoo/panpipe type samples (forget what the instrument is called). two full moons and a trout has a choral section remiscent of kurdish/middle eastern chanting (which is similar to some modern psytrance tunes like protoculture - avalon). all of it has a hypnotic, drone type instrument. |
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| dj jasonF |
| quote: | | Personally, though, I observe more similarities between Age of Love and Goa: heavy bassline |
yea but its not goa. it was a relatively experimental track, it couldnt have a "cheesy" supersaw lead and a ferry bass. also the structure is not far from the uplifting / epic imo..
| quote: | | they were ambient. As far as I can tell, Tangerine Dream has never produced a song that could be labelled as trance. |
yea the were ambient, but many ppl think that tangerine deam made tracks that were very close to trance b4 it even existed as a real genre.. they had alot of classic 4/4 tracks that were trancy with nice melodies etc. |
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| 4am |
Haven't you heard? It's become TARNCE. :stongue:
-Heather |
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| mzvirbulis |
as this also maybe a good read, ronski also talks about the change in trance from it's early days.
LINK |
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| Derivative |
| quote: | Haven't you heard? It's become TARNCE.
-Heather |
ha. you must post on, or at least read KVR if you know about that :stongue: |
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| retiro |
An interesting topic that hasn't a definative answer! Trends evolve over time, it would get boring if it stayed the same!
However, to contradict myself here, I am bored with this generic sound we have today, most tunes sounds the same wereas back in the golden era, 98-01 you could remember each different tune you heard ie. title, mix and artist because each producer had a trademark sound! Today, I generally don't have a clue who has producer what!
In my opinion, today, it is easier for potential producers to access all that is needed to produce a tune! No need for expensive hardware synths etc, its all digital... this has enabled a mass flood in the trance market and unfortunately the sound we have today has reached its saturation point! |
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| 4am |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
ha. you must post on, or at least read KVR if you know about that :stongue: |
No doubt. And it's also the title of some patches on CamelSpace and Blue! :haha: |
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