|
Key Mixing? (pg. 7)
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Nyquist_Theorem |
| quote: | Originally posted by batemanscott
Thats all you needed to say Matt. I dont mind if you want to dispute any comment i make or call it a complete load of nor am i offended by it if you see it as such, in fact as i have always said here i respect ppl who do so. I just object to all the excessive sarcasm and blowing out of proportion the comments i made.
At no point was i referring to you at all, or at least i did not intend it that way if you felt that it was.
My comment regarding keying making you lazy comes from a few guys i was talking to that had recently finished one of those learn to dj courses, i asked them how they go about learning their tunes or their ideas on set progression and the reply was " you dont really need to worry about it, we were shown how to find out what key the tracks are in so they will all go together" - It's not ur comment so feel free to tell me it in no way applies to you.
My argument from the start is that from my experience the vast majority of ppl on your dancefloor will never hear the difference of a keyed mix or not, which is why i like it when my mixing is key, but place no emphasis on it and prefer to concentrate on things like progression and structure which crowds react to without actually knowing what ur doing or why; this is only my opinion tho and u are welcome to think differently. :) |
for sure dude, you've proven that keying is completely unneccesary to rock a packed venue to me many times over, i just have a problem with the sugestion that those of us that do it are lazy or using it as a crutch instead of learning (or so we can ignore) all the real stuff that we need to know to mix properly. it's a lot of hard work, and its something that i see as a bit of extra effort for a bit of extra 'connectedness' with my tracks (even if only a few appreciate it, thats ok with me), rather than it being a shortcut to save me having to actually learn/practice.
and that comment from the DJ schools is an absolute shocker, what the fark. I mean, I've always thought that if DJing is something that's really in your blood, you'll want to do it badly enough that you'll just figure it out by being stuck to your decks 24/7 (as it seems most of us learned by) and asking as many questions as you can of anyone that will listen, and that paying money to have somebody explain it all misses the whole point of learning it yourself and crafting your own 'language' both in terms of tunes and technique.
if all the DJs in this town learned to play from the same person, wouldn't we have a bunch of really similar/boring DJs? but yeah, i agree keying is the last thing a new DJ'er should be learning if they don't have a solid music background to begin with - its a total sidetrack/diversion and a whole bunch of extra crap that, as you say, is probably more effort to learn than its worth on the dancefloor. :)
edit - and for sure i always crap on more than i need to, you know that by now! :D |
|
|
| jizza |
| quote: | Originally posted by eRRaTiK
fixed, imo.
+1 !!~!@!#@ |
NO NO...
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
:stongue:
guys! thats the last time i post :p |
now fixed imo. |
|
|
| Philby |
| this thread needs more missym |
|
|
| DJ_LG |
I think this is another extra little skill. Teach me please!
I don't know what it sounds like.
What top jocks mix in key? PVD?
What tracks will mix in key? Examples? |
|
|
| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_LG
I think this is another extra little skill. Teach me please!
I don't know what it sounds like.
What top jocks mix in key? PVD?
What tracks will mix in key? Examples? |
harmonic mixing
sure, its a lotta pages, but it contains everything you need to know on the subject. |
|
|
| muli |
wow this thread has a load of crap in it.
Anyway, i don't key my records, but i try to mix records that "fit" wether they are in key or not, as long as they sound good together i will mix them in.
Like it or hate it, that's the way i've mixed for the past 4.5yrs and it's not going to change now :) |
|
|
| Teflon_Teapot |
| quote: | | and that comment from the DJ schools is an absolute shocker, what the fark. I mean, I've always thought that if DJing is something that's really in your blood, you'll want to do it badly enough that you'll just figure it out by being stuck to your decks 24/7 (as it seems most of us learned by) and asking as many questions as you can of anyone that will listen, and that paying money to have somebody explain it all misses the whole point of learning it yourself and crafting your own 'language' both in terms of tunes and technique. |
i think that is a ridiculous comment to make. i went to pure vinyl to learn from ben cromack who plays a completely different style to what i play or will ever play. i went to pure vinyl and paid for the course because he is an outstanding dj and i wanted to learn new techniques from someone that did not play the same music to me to make myself better. just like your comments about key mixing, you do it because you believe it will make you better. this is exactly the same rationale that i used.
i dont care if i paid money for it because it gave me different techniques and a proper idea of what i was doing (they did not teach me to key tunes and program sets by key). your comment that if you want to be a DJ it should be in your blood and you should sweat it out on your decks is ludicrous. i have spent heaps of time on my decks practicsing and to say that because i chose to do it differently puts me below someone that chose a different path is unfair. i did not have anyone that i could ask those numerous questions to or to practice with. i have had many people say that it was a waste of money but to be honest i dont care. everyone does things differently in life that is just the way things are, no one way is right or wrong it is just different.
oh and one more thing 2+2 does not equal 4;) |
|
|
| Paulie |
| Cromack is an un ing believable dj, and your 100% correct, id rather be taught by the best, than learn bad habits teaching myself. |
|
|
| Nyquist_Theorem |
nah teflon_teapot, not my point at all. my concern is with the people that come out of those schools and say 'now i am a certified dj' with the suggestion that they don't need to learn anything more -with all these ideas of 'right' and 'wrong' (ie the type of people that freak out when forced/unable to use the crossfader) but that when you ask them if they pay any attention to other DJs when given the opportunity, say no. I've seen this a few times and it's disturbing - roboDJs or something. sweat it out any way you want, as long as you're actually into it and it's not a fashion accessory or something to put on your social CV. As a kid who spent his weekends in highschool making depeche mode remixes with two beta-hifi VCRs wired together, I prefer my DJs to have a bit of background knowledge in music and be 'in to it' - as everyone I've got to know through TA has been.
I reckon it's only once you pay attention to a range of DJs/styles/philosophies/etc that your eyes are opened to how much is out there in terms of technique and information...which I know you know since we spoke of this in the car after Unify. :) |
|
|
| Philby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nyquist_Theorem
As a kid who spent his weekends in highschool making depeche mode remixes with two beta-hifi VCRs wired together, |
"oh no! beta!" |
|
|
| Nyquist_Theorem |
| quote: | Originally posted by Philby
"oh no! beta!" |
dude, Sony SLHF1000, poor man's DAT. Dreamed of a PCMF1 for it. *drools atari-flavoured 80s drool* :crazy:
did you guys have beta here? |
|
|
| Philby |
yeah we had beta here hehe i can still remember in movieland they had a section for vhs and for beta :D
i was quoting snake from the simpsons by the way... |
|
|
|
|
