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Do/did amateur producers ruin trance (pg. 2)
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| Mike_Foyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by DRM
thats utter bull to be fair ian. The software has absolutely all to do with it. If VdM wasnt happy with the tracks he was making with software then he wouldnt give them to labels or release them himself.
The problem isnt down to the producers, yes its resonably easy to put together a track now but the fault is ENTIRELY down to record labels signing all this music. If they were more selective about the tracks they are signing then there wouldnt be half the problem there is now. |
+1... there has always been music, just that none of it ever got the chance that it does these days. but i still think software is too userfriendly, which is why there is such a high volume of wank music around these days, back in the day you needed money and at least some skill to make anything, whether or not its . |
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| Ian |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike_Foyle
+1... there has always been music, just that none of it ever got the chance that it does these days. but i still think software is too userfriendly, which is why there is such a high volume of wank music around these days, back in the day you needed money and at least some skill to make anything, whether or not its . |
exactly. Maybe my VDM point was a bit wrong but what I mean is that if someone with his quality can put out what are way worse tracks & still get released, you have to think something is wrong. I don't care how people produce a music if it's good, but there's a lack of creativity amongst many people these days, and I believe that software is a reason why. |
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| DRM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ian
my point mate is that there's several people who use the software, and are very good at it, bringing the best sounds out, take Haak for instance, but as Nik says, some of it is too easy, just load a patch, add an effect & send to a label wanting to make a name. |
well you tried and failed at making trance, as have i so although it is fairly easy it still takes a little amount of skill.
| quote: | Originally posted by Mike Foyle
+1... there has always been music, just that none of it ever got the chance that it does these days. but i still think software is too userfriendly, which is why there is such a high volume of wank music around these days, back in the day you needed money and at least some skill to make anything, whether or not its .
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Yeah software has definatly made the difference so that anyone can have a go now whereas before you really had to make a conscious and large financial decision as to whether that was what you wanted to do. |
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| Radagast |
| No. You ruined trance. Trance was ruined long before everyone started using software to make it. |
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| Bl@ckOut |
| I wouldn't say that amateur producers ruin the trancescene. It's true that online labels release a lot of amateuristic tracks. But then it's up to the professional producers to do something about it and make better music than the amateurs. They can make the difference and produce tracks way better than the tracks released on internetlabels. And most people will like that music more. So imo it's just the quantity of the productions that expands, but the quality of the good producers remains. |
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| Fundamental |
| quote: | Originally posted by DRM
The software has absolutely all to do with it. If VdM wasnt happy with the tracks he was making with software then he wouldnt give them to labels or release them himself.
The problem isnt down to the producers, yes its resonably easy to put together a track now but the fault is ENTIRELY down to record labels signing all this music. If they were more selective about the tracks they are signing then there wouldnt be half the problem there is now. |
Agreed. Or to put it another way...
If football suddenly suffered a drop in popularity and quality, would you blame it on too many amateurs playing football, or would you point the finger at Manchester United buying overweight 57-year-old Bob Smith with a peg leg and a drug addiction to play centre forward? |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
No. You ruined trance. Trance was ruined long before everyone started using software to make it. |
Boo hoo.  |
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| zoric |
| Great comparsion Fundamental. |
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| Mike_Foyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Radagast
No. You ruined trance. Trance was ruined long before everyone started using software to make it. |
lol, the "you killed trance" bul is SOOOOO LAST YEAR... like omg |
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| Trancevision |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
I don't know really - just take a look at any thread on the Producer Promotion forum. There isn't a single negative feedback anywhere no matter how awful the track is. |
you're right. And the worst tracks get lots of "constructive feedback" like: "Has lots of potential..."(what they do not say:"but needs a new melody,
a new bassline, new sounds, better mixdown, better buildup, better mastering, a different producer...") |
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| Pjotr G |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancevision
but needs a new melody,
a new bassline, new sounds, better mixdown, better buildup, better mastering, a different producer...") |
..... but THEN it would be a club-killer, right?
sounds positive to me :D |
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| Azz3D |
I think ishkur said it best in his guide (talks about new wave but I think it applies in general)
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What I like best about this period is everyone who picked up an electronic instrument did so because they were already established musicians and composers looking for additions and enhancements and explorations of their sounds. Today, electronic musicians--especially the bad ones--seem to be mostly lazy, uncreative morons who don't know a damn thing about music because they let the sequencer and preset banks do all the work. It's no wonder that the music 20 years ago still sounds way more interesting than it does today. |
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