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Smoking ban in all pubs and clubs (pg. 2)
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| About time. |
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| sykadelik |
| I think this is good news. |
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| Wicked Neo |
Well, i am all for banning smoking from pubs. bars, cafes etc where food is served but i am against a complete ban altogether.
I ought to start a campaign, to ban alcohol from pubs and clubs etc
If ppl dont want to smell my smoke and breathe in 2nd hand smoke and find it offensive, well consider this, i dont drink alchol so why should i have to put with up ppl that do?
These alcohol drinkers get drunk and stagger into me and my friends, they stink of booze which is far from pleasent smelling, they sweat and stink, i cant understand a word they say from the slurring, they get violent so my life is in risk in case i upset some idiot who is pissed out of his skull.
Why should i have to put up with drunken idiot pissing on streets i have to walk down, why should i be put off my dinner cos the same drunken idiots have thrown up all over the place, why should any female i am with have to put up with Mr I Am Gods Gift To Women Cos I Am Drunk harrasing her or feeling her up.
then those same drunken idiots think its fine for them to drive home pissed risking so many other innocents only to go home to beat up thier wife/GF or rape some innocent girl cos they had a few too many.
They say smoking is a health risk, of course it is, i accept that but hey so is alcohol, my health is far more in danger from those that drink, thats why there is so much fuss about binge drinking, thats why there are groups dedicated to helping those addicted to alcohol, thats why the police are hot on drink driving.
And just as many ppl die of alcohol releated health problems as smokers do with smoking related health problems
I sure as hell have never seen a report of someone who smokes kill someone by beating another up cos they have smoked too much, who has got into thier car and killed ppl cos they had one fag too many, i dont see ppl pissing and vomiting in the streets cos they mixed Mayfair with B&H that night, nor cos they had a smoke over what they usually smoke a day, go out and commit a rape.
And they say smoking is bad for you . . . |
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| kr00t0n |
| Because you only cause those annoyances through drinking if you drink enough, smoking 1 cigarette will force 2nd hand smoke on others. |
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| Wicked Neo |
and how many hospitals are full on a friday and saturday night down to drink related incidents at severe time and cost to the NHS?
How many thousands are in a completly battered state due to alcohol every single weekend?
Yes you will encounter 2nd hand smoke when you go out and i am also going to encounter several very drunken ppl who cant control themselves and are spoiling for some agro. |
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| b i n k u n |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wicked Neo
Well, i am all for banning smoking from pubs. bars, cafes etc where food is served but i am against a complete ban altogether.
I ought to start a campaign, to ban alcohol from pubs and clubs etc...
And they say smoking is bad for you . . . |
*applause.
coming from one who smokes but actually doesn't drink, i couldn't have said it better.
that said, i am not all against this ban, kinda. I was in New York before and after they started the ban and in some sense it has helped. It's impossible to completely regulate, so what instead happens is the main dancefloors and main bar areas are now smoke free, but most clubs have a smoke zone, either official or unofficial. it kinda works out cuz u do reak less of smoke, but those who want a fag can still have one.
however, i do enjoy having a smoke when chatting with friends either in a club/bar/lounge/etc. to have that freedom taken away does irk me. i'm fully aware tho, when i'm around non-smokers and out of respect for them, i will go to a corner or wait till we're outside. but what annoyed me in new york was after a heavy meal, you couldn't kick back and have a smoke, especially if everyone u were with was a smoker...you had to go out in the freezing cold and huddle with all the other smokers outside the door. but since we were all smokers, it was either take turns, or get the bill...in which case we had no place to chill anymore. a big pain in the ass.
i'm not too sure what this UK smoking ban covers, but to say that it will help smokers quit is complete bull. didn't work in NY, i see no reason why it would work here. just cuz we dun smoke in clubs anymore doesn't mean we're not going to smoke elsewhere.
and it's really annoying when people start sticking their heads in other people's business, regardless of if it is "good for you" or not. |
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| est |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wicked Neo
and how many hospitals are full on a friday and saturday night down to drink related incidents at severe time and cost to the NHS?
How many thousands are in a completly battered state due to alcohol every single weekend?
Yes you will encounter 2nd hand smoke when you go out and i am also going to encounter several very drunken ppl who cant control themselves and are spoiling for some agro. |
You're comparing alcohol and cigs on their effect to health, but the cigarette ban is being enforced because it's so invasive to other people's comfort. If it was being banned because of its links to illnesses then it would have been banned altogether. The ban clearly isn't designed to force you to stop smoking, and remember that people can get lifted for being drunk and disorderly, too (though I appreciate that isn't quite the same as a smoking ban in pubs).
Yes, people may occassionally get drunk and annoy people. But not nearly as regularly as smokers light up and annoy people, like 10-20 times a day. I can't even walk down the street for 5 minutes without someone in front of me lighting up a fag and proceeding to flick their fag ash all over me.
But I'm a little ambivalent about this ban. As a non-smoker, I support it on the whole. But some of my friends smoke and I don't want them to stop coming to bars and clubs to socialise. It might cause a division, with smokers wanting to stay at home where they can have a fag with the non-smokers wanting to go out. So I guess on balance, the positives and negatives are balancing each other out, so I'm not too bothered either way. |
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| Wicked Neo |
| quote: | Originally posted by est
You're comparing alcohol and cigs on their effect to health, but the cigarette ban is being enforced because it's so invasive to other people's comfort. |
You are wrong there, the prime purpose of this ban is for health benefits, to prevent those that don't smoke and those who have to work in the enviroments where smoking is commonplace breathing in 2nd hand smoke which could cause them smoking related illnesses
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If it was being banned because of its links to illnesses then it would have been banned altogether.
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That will never happen well not for a good long time yet, the UK government makes far too much revenue from taxation on tobacco products
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The ban clearly isn't designed to force you to stop smoking
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Yes it is, this ban is being hailed by medical experts as the precursor to end smoking altogether, smokers are being forced to quit so they will be socialbly acceptable to those that dont smoke
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and remember that people can get lifted for being drunk and disorderly, too (though I appreciate that isn't quite the same as a smoking ban in pubs).
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Yes some people do get arrested but not many, i have lost count of how many times u see drunken idiots pissing in doorways, throwing thier empty keebab wrappers or throwing up in my front garden, singing at 3am at the top of thier voices, kicking around anything thats vaugely football shaped, knocking over the bins, giving other ppl walking home hassle etc etc
But you are correct, its not quite the same as a smoking ban in pubs, smokers dont do any of the above cretineous behaviour because they have smoked more than they should have that night
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Yes, people may occassionally get drunk and annoy people. But not nearly as regularly as smokers light up and annoy people, like 10-20 times a day. I can't even walk down the street for 5 minutes without someone in front of me lighting up a fag and proceeding to flick their fag ash all over me.
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Occassionally? how about every weekend 'from thursdays to sundays' in most towns and cities up and down the country
I agree that smokers could be more considerate in what they do with thier ash and where they smoke, for example i wont smoke anywhere that has little kids about or pregnent mothers (if only everyone was so considerate)
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But I'm a little ambivalent about this ban. As a non-smoker, I support it on the whole. But some of my friends smoke and I don't want them to stop coming to bars and clubs to socialise. It might cause a division, with smokers wanting to stay at home where they can have a fag with the non-smokers wanting to go out. So I guess on balance, the positives and negatives are balancing each other out, so I'm not too bothered either way. |
I support a ban on smoking in clubs, bars, cafes etc where food is served and where kids may be present
I smoke, i DJ, i smoke whilst i DJ, i can hardly go outside for a quick fag during one of my sets can i?
my friends who dont smoke are hardly gonna come outside and stand in the cold and rain cos i want a fag during a conversation in a nice warm bar.
If any of my friends dont like me smoking in front of them, i respect thier wishes and will smoke elsewhere.
I feel that this law is seperating people into class groups again, why should i be seen as a lower class citizen because i smoke whilst those who get bladdered every weekend can carry on with thier antisocial behaviour?
Alcohol has a far more damaging effect on our way of life than smoking does, from domestic violence to alcohol addiction, from violence in the street to killing innocents by drink driving, in the long term alcohol costs the NHS far much more than smoking does as alcohol is related to many differing health issues.
This government is very fond of seperating ppl into different classes, what with its propsosed education reforms where it will be rich get the better education and the poor will get the lower scale of education, with its proposed pay as you go motoring taxes, with its ID card schemes, its unfair way of stealth taxing ppl etc
The labour party is more tory than the tories are! |
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| est |
| quote: | Originally posted by Wicked Neo
You are wrong there, the prime purpose of this ban is for health benefits, to prevent those that don't smoke and those who have to work in the enviroments where smoking is commonplace breathing in 2nd hand smoke which could cause them smoking related illnesses |
And because it's basically become socially unacceptable these days and the law is (perhaps unfairly) reflecting that.
| quote: | | That will never happen well not for a good long time yet, the UK government makes far too much revenue from taxation on tobacco products |
I hate this line that smokers come out with. As if the reason you smoke is to support the inland revenue, therefore it's a justification for smoking (I know that's not exacly what you meant here, just saying don't even try pulling that line on me!)
| quote: | | Yes it is, this ban is being hailed by medical experts as the precursor to end smoking altogether, smokers are being forced to quit so they will be socialbly acceptable to those that dont smoke |
Well under 30% of the population smoke, and around 70% of those want to stop, and almost 90% of the population support a ban. Majority rules, I guess.
| quote: | | Occassionally? how about every weekend 'from thursdays to sundays' in most towns and cities up and down the country |
What I meant was that getting so drunk that they are incapable is something that people do much less often than smokers light up, up to 20 times a day.
| quote: | | I smoke, i DJ, i smoke whilst i DJ, i can hardly go outside for a quick fag during one of my sets can i? |
I used to work in a shop where everyone else smoked, and they got extra breaks every hour, just becuase the smoked, so they could go out and have a fag, whilst I carried the shop and got a break every 3 hours.
| quote: | | I feel that this law is seperating people into class groups again |
Yeah, I agree with you here. This is why I have mixed feelings towards the ban.
| quote: | | Alcohol has a far more damaging effect on our way of life than smoking does, from domestic violence to alcohol addiction, from violence in the street to killing innocents by drink driving, in the long term alcohol costs the NHS far much more than smoking does as alcohol is related to many differing health issues. |
Yes I see your point. But just pointing out the dangers of something else isn't going to make non-smokers go against a smoking ban (I don't drink either btw since i started buying vinyl hehe).
| quote: | This government is very fond of seperating ppl into different classes, what with its propsosed education reforms where it will be rich get the better education and the poor will get the lower scale of education, with its proposed pay as you go motoring taxes, with its ID card schemes, its unfair way of stealth taxing ppl etc
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Yeah, again agreed. But as I said, what you're saying isn't going to change anyone's opinion. |
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| b i n k u n |
| quote: | Originally posted by est
I hate this line that smokers come out with. As if the reason you smoke is to support the inland revenue, therefore it's a justification for smoking (I know that's not exacly what you meant here, just saying don't even try pulling that line on me!)
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i think what wicked neo was getting at was the government won't ever issue a complete ban on smoking because it has too much to lose.
it reflects nothing on why he (or any other smoker) decides to light up. |
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| sleepydragon |
| quote: | Originally posted by b i n k u n
i think what wicked neo was getting at was the government won't ever issue a complete ban on smoking because it has too much to lose.
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most of the money made from smokers is spent on treating people who smoke so i dont think the government have that much to lose.
How much strain r smokers putting on the nhs? if no one smoked there would be thousands of free beds and the waiting lists would plummet it would sort out most of the governments problems with the nhs. |
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| sakabatou |
I have to say, I have already given my clear minded opinion on this matter, but after a couple of cans, and by couple,I mean a few, and by few, I forget, but I really do not care,nothing I personally could do to change the ban,there fore I make myself happy with whatever decision is made. as you should all do, smoking harms u, drinking harms you, eating semi-skinned milk harms you, and basically,scientists and all them tell us diff thigns each day, but, I just say live life how you want, SOMEONE surely will come up with a solution,so that smokers can have a fun time, and smokers them selves, each of you will find a way to make your nights out fun,without a cigarette in opubs and clubs, be happy wahtever you do, because we are all in a generation where whatever we do, we will be doing something unhealthy for ourselves.
I personall do not smoke,but I drink quite a bit(never been agressive though,as you have proib seen my other "I'm a " threads,but I have to tell you,I know its bad for me whatever, and I also eat junk food, and hardly ever drink just water.
Do what you want to do,within the law,and try not to focus on whatever limits we have as concerns what we can and cannot do, this law will be put forward and everyone will HAVE to cope.
I have not read all the other comments,so this is not an argument against someone who opposes the ban,but I thought I'd voice my opinion,no matter howit soudns.
I cannot believe I have posted this much,and I am sobering up,srsly,since I started typig I know exactly waht I am doing,so night all, love ya :D
UKTA FTMFGDW!
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