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Study: Mothers' Genetics Might Help Produce Gay Sons (pg. 2)
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| ProudRepublican |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
jesus christ...more fags? i dont buy it, being a fag isnt genetic. |
As a Christian, the only thing I agree with Adolf Hitler for is that he killed fags. Preventing them from breeding, and adopting children was his way of preventing fags of spreading their social sickness across Europe. God murdered gays, and destroyed the city of Sodom, so God hates gays, and so should we. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by ProudRepublican
As a Christian, the only thing I agree with Adolf Hitler for is that he killed fags. |
well, except for all those close personal friends of the fuehrer within the nazi party, which hitler didnt seem to mind.
| quote: | Originally posted by ProudRepublican
Preventing them from breeding, and adopting children was his way of preventing fags of spreading their social sickness across Europe. |
hmmmm. hitler prevented homosexuals from breeding? im gonna go out on a limb here and suggest perhaps the very nature of homosexuality kinda prevents them from breeding.
| quote: | Originally posted by ProudRepublican
i am a wanker. god hates me, and so should you
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dont you worry there. we do. and youre a republican!? and a christian? no kidding. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kapedan
I kind of was and wasnt. I dont buy all the bull that they are born, what difference does it make if your a lesbian or gay, I mean, they both like the same sex, u know what I mean? I mean, there are differences between a man, and a woman of course, but I think with our culture nowdays, exposing more to the gay life style, it makes it more easy for little kids to become gay or not. Thats why im againts gay marrige and even gays adopting children. |
So aside of the growing evidence of the genetic componentry of homosexual behaviors, you feel that since the culture is becoming more accepting of homosexual men and women it's easier for kids to become gay?
And despite the fact that heterosexuals have done a splendid job of ing up marriage and relationships all on our own, you're against homosexual marriage and homosexuals adopting children because, well, because kids are becoming more exposed to tolerance of different lifestyles?
Got it, thanks.
| quote: | | God created Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve, thats the bottom line. |
Did he really? Would you care to elaborate with supporting evidence that God created two individuals, both from dirt and one immediately out of the rib of the other? As of yet I can't seem to find any darn compelling, valid evidence of such an event taking place.
| quote: | | Yes, i know there are other religions out there that dont believe in Adam & Eve, but the point is that, same sex doesnt reproduce, so its wrong in any shape or form. |
Same sex isn't intended to reproduce. There are many facets of the term "life" that we understand it in nature, and it's been shown quite convincingly that homosexuality is a definite component in a number of species in nature itself:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~phyl/weektwelve.html
http://www.androphile.org/preview/L...Werner20.24.htm
http://www.utexas.edu/courses/bio30...s/Gay/Text.html
But then again, research on homosexuality and homophobia in general has revealed some very interesting aspects about human nature in general:
| quote: | A study that appears to reveal a major cause of homophobia was completed at the University of Georgia in 1996. 3 It involved 64 white men, none of whom had engaged in homosexual acts during their lifetime. Their sexual fantasies involved only women. 35 of them were rated homophobic; 29 non-homophobic. For the purpose of this study, "homophobia" was defined as a negative emotional reaction (e.g., fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort) to homosexuality. It was measured by a questionnaire called the Index of Homophobia. Each was shown three types of X rated videotapes: heterosexual, lesbian and gay. A plethysmograph measuring device (affectionately called a "peter meter") measured the circumference of their penis as a gauge of sexual arousal.
The two groups exhibited similar arousal when they viewed 4 minute samples taken from one heterosexual and one lesbian movie. But they responded differently to the male homosexual clip:
I. Degree of Tumescence:
a. Insignificant-
Homophobic Men - 20%
Non-homophobic Men - 66%
b. Moderate-
Homophobic Men - 26%
Non-homophobic Men - 10%
c. Definite-
Homophobic Men - 54%
Non-homophobic Men - 24%
The researchers concluded that these data are consistent with the belief that most homophobic men have repressed homosexual desires. An alternate, but much less likely, explanation is that the homophobic men's erections were caused by anxiety during the experiment.
Further research is needed to clarify the results and to answer questions such as whether these results would generalize to homophobic women.
Source: Cox News Service, 1996-JUL-31 reviewing an article by Drs. Henry Adams, Lester Wright Jr. & Bethany Lohr "Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?", Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 105 (1996), P. 440-445 |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ProudRepublican
As a Christian, the only thing I agree with Adolf Hitler for is that he killed fags. |
Hmm, I must have studied a different Christian Bible than you did. Can you point to me anywhere where Jesus mentions we should kill homosexuals? I'm seemingly having a difficult time finding the right passage.
And I must say, you being a Christian and associating yourself with a brutal mass murderer is really quite lovely. Bigotry be damned - we have genocidal idiocy ruling supreme in your Christian realm.
It really is lovely. And a peaceful, forgiving Jesus you seem to worship there too.
| quote: | | Preventing them from breeding, |
How exactly do homosexuals breed?
| quote: | | and adopting children was his way of preventing fags of spreading their social sickness across Europe. |
Wait a tick. I just had a thought.
Did the Phelps daughter track me down here? Libby, is that you sweetie?
God also murdered straight people, thousands upon thousands of them. He also ed around with individuals like Job, killing his wife and turning his ing life upside down just to prove His egotistical bull to Satan. And he also allowed rape quite a few times as well on children, no less.
Boy that Old Testament was sure a hoot!
| quote: | | and destroyed the city of Sodom, so God hates gays, and so should we. |
Are you sure you are a Christian? If we actually study what it said in Hebrew on Genesis 19:4 :
| quote: | | "anshei ha'ir, anshei S'dom." |
It can have two meanings - the first is: "men of the city, even the men of Sodom."
The second is: "the people of the city, the people of Sodom."
Regardless, it is interesting that Lot would offer up his daughters to the mob of men if they were actually interested in homosexual raping of the angels. Now why would Lot offer up women to homosexual men? Not only that, but his two daughters were engaged to two males in Sodom. Now if the men of Sodom were gay, why would they be marrying two females?
Some other things tend to point to Sodom not quite being all of a nutty homosexually-depraved town:
*In ancient Jewish literature, such as the Ethics of the Fathers and the Talmud, there are many references to Sodom. The phrase "middat Sdom" was used. It may be translated as "the way the people of Sodom thought". It meant a lack of charity and hospitality towards others; ignoring the needs of the poor, etc. In the Middle East, a person's survival could depend upon the charity of strangers. To help strangers was a solemn religious duty of paramount importance. See Leviticus 19:33-34 and Matthew 25:35, 38 and 43.
*Isaiah 1; The entire first chapter is an utter condemnation of Judah. They are repeatedly compared with Sodom and Gomorra in their evildoing and depravity. Throughout the chapter, the Prophet lists many sins of the people: rebelling against God, lacking in knowledge, deserting the Lord, idolatry, engaging in meaningless religious ritual, being unjust and oppressive to others, being insensitive to the needs of widows and orphans, committing murder, accepting bribes, etc. There is no reference to homosexuality or to any other sexual activities at all.
*Jeremiah 23:14:"...among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen something horrible: They commit adultery and live a lie. They strengthen the hands of evildoers, so that no one turns from his wickedness. They are all like Sodom to me; the people of Jerusalem are like Gomorrah." Jeremiah compares the actions of the prophets with the adultery, lying and evil of the people of Sodom. Homosexual activity is not mentioned.
*Ezekeiel 16:49-50:"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen." God states clearly that he destroyed Sodom's sins because of their pride, their excess of food while the poor and needy suffered; sexual activity is not even mentioned.
*Matthew 10:14-15: Jesus implied that the sin of the people of Sodom was to be inhospitable to strangers.
*Luke 10:7-16: This is parallel passage to the verses from Matthew.
bullet 2 Peter 6-8: Peter mentions that God destroyed the adults and children of Sodom because the former were ungodly, unprincipled and lawless.
*Jude, Verse 7: Jude disagreed with Jesus and Ezekeiel; he wrote that Sodom's sins were sexual in nature. Various biblical translations of this passage in Jude describe the sin as: fornication, going after strange flesh, sexual immorality, perverted sensuality, homosexuality, lust of every kind, immoral acts and unnatural lust. It looks as if the translators were unclear of the meaning of the verse in its original Greek, and simply selected their favorite sin to attack. The original Greek is transliterated as: "sarkos heteras." This can be translated as "other flesh". Ironically, our English word "heterosexual" comes from "heteras."
Now even if I were to dismiss this evidence above like you certainly would and conclude that the whole event was premised on homosexual activity, it's quite clear that the activity itself was premised on homosexual RAPE, which is just as evil and disgusting as heterosexual rape and is not in any way related to 2 consenting same-sex adults having sex.
But then again, I honestly don't expect the quality of this thread to be too high, given what we've seen thus far.
And I might also say that advocating the death of any individuals, esp. those who are simply different from you on the basis of their sexuality between consenting adults, is a means of bigotry that's not tolerated in this forum. I've seen individuals get banned for far less worse here, so I would be careful to avoid such obvious inflammatory, asinine, crud, dumb statements like that in the future. I will, of course, leave such decisions up to the mods., but they're quite astute on such matters pertaining to little comments like yours that give no rise to a worthwhile debate and are only made to inflame and piss off others. |
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| josh4 |
Opus you are too good for this place.
As long as we're on the topic. Heres an article that appeared in Time Magazine about the growing acceptance and its social impacts.
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Cover Story
The Battle Over Gay Teens
In May, David Steward, a former president of TV Guide, and his partner Pierre Friedrichs, a caterer, hosted an uncomfortably crowded cocktail party at their Manhattan apartment. It was a typical gay fund raiser--there were lemony vodka drinks with mint sprigs; there were gift bags with Calvin Klein sunglasses; Friedrichs prepared little blackened-tuna-with-mango-chutney hors d'oeuvres that were served by uniformed waiters. Billionaire philanthropist Edgar Bronfman Sr. was there; David Mixner, a gay activist and longtime friend of Bill Clinton's, was holding court with Jason Moore, director of the musical Avenue Q.
But the odd thing was that the gay (and gay-friendly) élite had gathered to raise money not for one of its established charities--the Human Rights Campaign, say, or the Democratic National Committee--but for an obscure organization that has quietly become one of the fastest-growing gay groups in the nation, the Point Foundation. Launched in 2001, Point gives lavish (often full-ride) scholarships to gay students. It is one of the few national groups conceived explicitly to help gay kids, and it is a leading example of how the gay movement is responding to the emergence this decade of hundreds of thousands of openly gay youths.
Kids are disclosing their homosexuality with unprecedented regularity--and they are doing so much younger. The average gay person now comes out just before or after graduating high school, according to The New Gay Teenager, a book Harvard University Press published this summer. The book quotes a Penn State study of 350 young people from 59 gay groups that found that the mean age at which lesbians first have sexual contact with other girls is 16; it's just 14 for gay boys. In 1997 there were approximately 100 gay-straight alliances (GSAs)--clubs for gay and gay-friendly kids--on U.S. high school campuses. Today there are at least 3,000 GSAs--nearly 1 in 10 high schools has one--according to the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network (GLSEN, say "glisten"), which registers and advises GSAs. In the 2004-05 academic year, GSAs were established at U.S. schools at the rate of three per day.
The appearance of so many gay adolescents has, predictably, worried social conservatives, but it has also surprised gay activists, who for years did little to help the few teenagers who were coming out. Both sides sense high stakes. "Same-sex marriage--that's out there. But something going on in a more fierce and insidious way, under the radar, is what's happening in our schools," says Mathew Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, an influential conservative litigation group that earlier this year won a court order blocking a Montgomery County, Md., teachers' guide that disparaged Evangelicals for their views on gays. "They"--gay activists--"know if they make enough inroads into [schools], the same-sex-marriage battle will be moot."
Most gay activists would rather swallow glass than say Mat Staver was right about something, but they know that last year's big UCLA survey of college freshmen found that 57% favor same-sex marriage (only about 36% of all adults do). Even as adult activists bicker in court, young Americans--including many young conservatives--are becoming thoroughly, even nonchalantly, gay- positive. From young ages, straight kids are growing up with more openly bisexual, gay and sexually uncertain classmates. In the 1960s, gay men recalled first desiring other males at an average age of 14; it was 17 for lesbians. By the '90s, the average had dropped to 10 for gays and 12 for lesbians, according to more than a dozen studies reviewed by the author of The New Gay Teenager, Ritch Savin-Williams, who chairs Cornell's human-development department.
Children who become aware of their homosexual attractions no longer need endure the baleful combination of loneliness and longing that characterized the childhoods of so many gay adults. Gay kids can now watch fictional and real teens who are out on shows like Desperate Housewives, the dating show Next on MTV and Degrassi (a high school drama on the N network whose wild popularity among adolescents is assured by the fact that few adults watch it). Publishers like Arthur A. Levine Books (of Harry Potter fame) and the children's division at Simon & Schuster have released something like a dozen novels about gay adolescents in the past two years. New, achingly earnest books like Rainbow Road (Simon & Schuster), in which three gay teens take a road trip, are coming this month. Gay kids can subscribe to the 10-month-old glossy YGA Magazine (YGA stands for "young gay America") and meet thousands of other little gays via young gay america com or outproud.org Gay boys can chat, vote for the Lord of the Rings character they would most like to date--Legolas is leading--learn how to have safe oral sex and ogle pictures of young men in their underwear on the ruttish chadzboyz.com Not that you have to search so far into the Web: when University of Pittsburgh freshman Aaron Arnold, 18, decided to reveal his homosexuality at 15, he just Googled "coming out," which led to myriad advice pages.
While the phrase "That's so gay" seems to have permanently entered the (straight) teen vernacular, at many schools it is now profoundly uncool to be seen as anti-gay. Straight kids meet and gossip and find hookups on websites like facebook.com where a routine question is whether they like guys or girls or both. When Savin-Williams surveyed 180 young men ages 14 to 25 for an earlier book, "... And Then I Became Gay," he found that nearly all had received positive, sometimes enthusiastic, responses when they first came out. (Many others are received with neutrality, even boredom: University of Washington senior Aaron Schwitters, who was not interviewed by Savin-Williams, says when he came out to his fellow College Republicans at a club meeting last year, "there was five seconds of awkward silence, someone said 'O.K.,' and we moved on.") That doesn't mean young lesbians and gays will never get shoved in the hallway, and multiple studies have shown that gay kids are at higher risk for suicide than their straight peers are. But the preponderance of Savin-Williams' 20 years of research indicates that most gay kids today face an environment that's more uncertain than unwelcoming. In a 2002 study he quotes in the new book, gay adolescents at a Berkeley, Calif., school said just 5% of their classmates had responded negatively to their sexuality.
O.K., that's Berkeley, but the trend is clear: according to Kevin Jennings, who in 1990 founded a gay-teacher group that later morphed into GLSEN, many of the kids who start GSAs identify themselves as straight. Some will later come out, of course, but Jennings believes a majority of GSA members are heterosexuals who find anti-gay rhetoric as offensive as racism. "We're gonna win," says Jennings, speaking expansively of the gay movement, "because of what's happening in high schools right now ... This is the generation that gets it."
more...
http://www.gayteens.org/714/
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For all interested parties, here is another study showing biological evidence. (For you teenagers that don't know what to do with Opus' theses.)
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Gay Men Respond Differently to Pheromones
By Randolph E. Schmid
Associated Press
posted: 10 May 2005
05:25 pm ET
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The sexual area of a gay man's brain works a lot like that of a woman when exposed to a particular stimulus, researchers say.
In an experiment, men and heterosexual women sniffed a chemical from the male hormone testosterone. The homosexual men's brains responded differently from those of heterosexual males, and in a similar way to the women's brains.
"It is one more piece of evidence ... that is showing that sexual orientation is not all learned,'' said Sandra Witelson, an expert on brain anatomy and sexual orientation at the Michael G. DeGroote School of Medicine at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada.
Witelson, who was not part of the research team, said the findings clearly show a biological involvement in sexual orientation.
more...
http://www.livescience.com/humanbio...pheremones.html
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
So aside of the growing evidence of the genetic componentry of homosexual behaviors, you feel that since the culture is becoming more accepting of homosexual men and women it's easier for kids to become gay? |
I'm not sure I understand this coorelation either...:conf:
It's not 'easier', we're just seeing more of them as they become more confident in a more accepting society.
I'm willing to bet they were already there, right under your nose... |
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| MisterOpus1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
I'm not sure I understand this coorelation either...:conf:
It's not 'easier', we're just seeing more of them as they become more confident in a more accepting society.
I'm willing to bet they were already there, right under your nose... |
I'd probably say that as well. And quite honestly, I could care less. They have no impact on me, nor do they have any impact or threat to my marriage in any way. I tend to find that the most threatened homophobes tend to be the most suppressed. That study cited earlier certainly supports such a trend. |
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| occrider |
I miss all the good trolls :(
Damn you MisterOpus. |
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| Q5echo |
i always knew there was something weird about Cyrus's mom.
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
I miss all the good trolls :( |
there. |
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| DJFreaq |
| I remember reading/learning this a while ago in a Science News article. This is just continuing it from what I gleened from the article. Not too suprising. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i always knew there was something weird about Cyrus's mom.
there. |
ouch. :haha: |
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| NeoPhono |
...uh back on topic.
I studied homosexuality in one of my evolutionary biology classes.
What I discovered is that there is an advantage to having gay men, however there is no genetic advantage to having homosexual women in a society. The rationale goes like this;
As the male population increases, there comes a point at which there are neither the resources or mating partners available to make procreation viable. Therefore, the more male offspring a mother has, the more likely they are to be gay (which is true statistically...sorry to all the "little" brothers). Since men could theoretically have numerous women pregnant at a time, but women can only carry one child every nine months (you don't really plan for twins, triplets, etc.), women are the limiting factor in the continuation of the species. Therefore, it makes biological "sense" for women to remain heterosexual as they are the deciding factor in the human species' ability to reproduce, but having gay men when males are in great abundance makes sense because it limits the strain on resources and competition. |
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