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Help me understand what happened to Trance... (pg. 6)
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| thelordgod |
| I don't know about massive, but classic trance did have long buildups. Sometimes four to five minute buildups like in Spicelab - Falling or Cygnus X - Synchronism. Amorph by Spicelab had a couple of buildups as well right...long buildups and sudden slight changes in flow were how a lot of classic trance created its excellent subtle tension and release. But i'm not sure that what Ishkur means by massive is the length of the buildup. |
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| Lyle |
| A keen observation, my good man. Yes, we are currently being bombarded with a barrage of watered down housey trance of late, and rather unsurprisingly, it all has to do with commercial appeal. Every so often commercial music reinvents itself(rather like Madonna) and morphs into whatever is getting punters jumping in the clubs. During the Gatecrasher boom of '99, it was trance & all things trance. Even 12-year-olds who hadn't been to their school prom had copies of Grace's "Not Over Yet" & if you were lucky, you could go to a family wedding & get down to "Wizards Of The Sonic". Trance was THE vogue & everyone far & wide got down to it. Then a slow meltaway happened, almost unnoticed, trance was fading. Suddenly, rap metal & nu-metal was the commericial wunderkind, and Limp Bizkit & Linkin Park flourished. Bands started flowering all over the world from punk to metal & a whole new generation of 12-year-olds were dressing in black, wearing chains & studs & preaching that their parents just don't understand them. This sadly went on for a while, until slowly this fad faded away & now the new numero uno is funky house & rockhouse. It is being shoved down our throats everywhere we go & even our beloved trance producers haven't escaped the bug. So, ASOT isn't as potent as it used to be, PVD ain't as banging as in his Amnesia heyday, but we have the memories & the hope that one day, euphoria will return to the dancefloors like the prodigal son & have us dancing with reckless abandon once more... |
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| Lyle |
| quote: | Originally posted by ahway26
Try the new PHYNN songs for driving , bangin , energtic trance..for example..close encounter and the B-side of it. There are still bangin trance out there..jsut need to search for it. |
Yes, that's a good point as well! There is treasure trovof banging, driving trance out there! It's just a matter of finding it...:crazy: |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by pvdclubber
here we go another bickerer
classic trance: Thrillseekers: Synaesthesia - great build up - |
no. you are wrong.
classic trance = Age of Love. Thing in a Book. Red Herring. Eden Transmission.
Synaesthesia is dorky middle school epic trance.
classic trance is pre-1996. |
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| RapidFire |
| there is still good trance out there man. go see Fleming. youll get exactly what you want minus the cheesy supersaw/mcprog songs. same goes with others from his label im sure. you just have to look a little deeper. |
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| RebeL9 |
there seem to be a misunderstanding here.
classic trance is early 90s trance with stuff from Dance 2 Trance, Cygnus-X, Earth Nation etc etc.
should not be mixed up with the 99 sound. the 99 era is when trance reached it's height in popularity. the term "classic trance" (when ment as a style) shouldn't be connected to this era.
of course the term "classic" is highly individual but things needs to be kept straight because trance as a genre existed long before Synatheasia and Out of the blue. |
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| Zombie0915 |
yay Eden Transmission - I'm so High
star trek teleporter samples for the win!
I like to call this new trance sound "twinkleprog", at first it was rather nice, Andain - Beautiful Things, Holden - Nothing (93 Returning remix), 2003 was some good times, but then it just got stuck with that same asthetic, it got old really quick. Older people say the same thing about 1998/1999, that at first the then new epic sound was refreshing then around System F - Out of the Blue, things really started getting annoying. Even older people still say the same thing about the mid 90's, and that things were lost at the advent of so called "progressive trance".
I think what happens is not that we jump on too many of these silly new fads, its that we aren't jumping on enough of them, the music shifts to these different styles and stays there way after it wears out its welcome. Its not that things change that makes trance bad, its that they change too slowly.
We are tired of this sound, lets move on to a better one, twinkleprog has been a bore for too many years. |
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| Cosmic |
If you like that kind of trance, you should definately check the following:
sets:
Tiesto @ Energy 2000
Ferry Corsten @ Trance energy 2000
Armin van Buren - Boundaries of imagination
Tiesto - Magik 6
Tiesto - Innercity 1999
tracks:
the quest - c sharp
dutch force- deadline
Yahel - Voyage
Vindent de Moor - Shamu (AvB remix)
Alex d'elia - Isnt Life wonderfull
Orion - See me here
Dumonde - Never look back/see the light
chakra - love shines through
Push - Universal nation/the legacy/till we meet again
to name a few... |
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| DjSimonB |
I have to agree with the starter... trance lacks so much energy now.
I do love a bit of funky, proggy stuff but I find a lot of it quite boring too, it's a shame because I've hardly bought any records lately due to just not being able to find anything worth buying. |
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| Belgian Bonzai |
| quote: | Originally posted by peking_duck
Where is the euphoria |
Agreed, although it's probably me not searching enough. It's been a while since I heard a track that drove me crazy from excitement at first listen. FYI, the last one was Stenna - Skyline (Arizona Remix), maybe Sunny Lax - P.U.M.A. |
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| Col |
I disagree that "trance sucks these days", but the one thing I'll agree with is that certain top DJs are playing the wrong tracks in clubs these days - too much energy-lacking material from Gabriel & Dresden and similar artists.
Because that stuff is not trance in any way except for the 4-to-the-floor beat. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
The thing I don't get is why people seem to think that trance should and IS only the stuff that was prior to 98, that everything after that was crap. |
This isn't what's going on. The dispute is over the definition of classic trance. There are a lot of people who don't know trance's history suggesting that tracks like Thrillseekers - Synaesthesia (Fly Away) is "classic trance," when it is not. It is a trance classic, I won't deny that, but it's not classic trance. Classic trance is the genre name to describe trance's sound pre-96, simply put. In this way, they are right to an extent; classic trance did not contain what we now consider to be a buildup. There were increases and decreases in energy over time, but any energy changes were subtle.
I also disagree with your assertion that all psy and classic trance necessarily lack the uplifting vibe. There are uplifting psy trance, and ones that are, in fact, very good. To say a track like Age of Love contains nothing uplifting would be folly, IMO. I agree that we can't expect someone to listen to psy or classic trance just because we say so, but it's not because psy or classic are "less uplifting" than epic. They just need to be approached with a different mentality. |
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