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Iran joins nuclear technology club (pg. 9)
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| spolitta |
| .... and it becomes a reality. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Hey guys, im Iran. I noticed in the last little while that both my neighbors have been suddenly occupied by that guy across the other side of the city. Im going to protect myself, becuase these new guys seem to REALLY love what my neighbors posses. |
What? Dirt?
Don't say 'oil' because you know damn well that the oil fields were immediately given to the Iraqi people after Saddam was ousted... |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
Don't say 'oil' because you know damn well that the oil fields were immediately given to the Iraqi people after Saddam was ousted... |
It amazes me how blind some people are.The oil and the money is going straight to Halliburton if you didnt know.
If they money was going to the Iraqi people then why are these people living in holes with no water and electricity?why are the living conditions so poor?WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?:whip: |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
It amazes me how blind some people are.The oil and the money is going straight to Halliburton if you didnt know.
If they money was going to the Iraqi people then why are these people living in holes with no water and electricity?why are the living conditions so poor?WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING?:whip: |
Some facts:
KBR (Kellogg, Brown and Root), a subsidiary of Halliburton, was awarded the contract.
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Activities in Iraq
The United States army hired Kellogg, Brown and Root to provide housing for approximately 100,000 soldiers in Iraq in a contract worth $200 million, based on a long-term contract signed in December 2001 under the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP). Other LOGCAP orders have included a pre-invasion order to repair oil facilities in Iraq; $28.2 million to build prisoner-of-war camps; and $40.8 million to accommodate the Iraqi Survey Group, which was deployed after the war to find hidden weapons of mass destruction.
In the competition for the current LOGCAP contract, the Army Corps of Engineers asked competitors to develop a contingency plan for extinguishing oil well fires in Iraq. The Army chose KBR's plan in November 2001, though it remains classified.
On March 24, 2003, the Army announced publicly that KBR had been awarded five task orders in Iraq potentially worth $7 billion to implement the plan. One of the task orders, obtained by the Center for Public Integrity, required KBR to "procure, import and deliver" fuels to Iraq. In fact, the contract was awarded more than two weeks earlier, without submission for public bids or congressional notification. In their response to Congressional inquiries, Army officials said they determined that extinguishing oil fires fell under the range of services provided under LOGCAP, meaning that KBR could deploy quickly and without additional security clearances. They also said that the contract's classified status prevented open bidding.
The Army's actions came under fire from Congressman Henry Waxman, who, along with John Dingell, asked the General Accounting Office - the investigative arm of Congress to investigate whether the U.S. Agency for International Development and the Pentagon were circumventing government contracting procedures and favoring companies with ties to the Bush administration. They also accused KBR of inflating prices for importing gasoline into Iraq. In June 2003, the Army announced that it would replace KBR's oil-infrastructure contract with two public-bid contracts worth a maximum total of $1 billion to be awarded in October. However, the Army announced in October it would expand the contract ceiling to $2 billion and the solicitation period to December. As of Oct. 16, KBR had performed nearly $1.6 billion worth of work. In the meantime, KBR has subcontracted with two companies to work on the project: Boots & Coots, an oil field emergency-response firm that Halliburton works in partnership with (CEO Jerry L. Winchester was a former Halliburton manager) and Wild Well Control, both of Texas.
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Other than the contracts being under dispute, who else would they hire to fix Iraq's dilapidated oil fields after 30 years of neglect?
We can't expect them to work for free and was obvious the Iraqis didn't have the experience.
Speaking of neglect, after 30 years under Saddam's thumb you'd think they'd have SOME sort of infrastructure to fix.
We can't blame the coalition for it's entire destruction, that's just a ludicrious arguement...
On the flip-side there were a lot of shady paperwork (or none to speak of) in the dealings of awarding of contracts.
There's a lot of clean up and still a lot of questions that the auditing is bringing to light of this whole situation.
No doubt that some is/was funding the insurgents...
It'll take time my friend, time.
Things aren't going to happen overnight and the auditing will catch up eventually as well, it always does...:) |
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| jesteraver |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
why because Iran has nukes?:rolleyes:
I think we live in a ed world with the U.S in charge and all those nukes sitting in their backyard.
stop listening to the media please.This is all another bush admin propaganda.They are playing the whole fear game once again and it is working unfortunatly.
:rolleyes: show me some proof that Iran is going to war.and dont tell me Isreal because I guarantee you that it is all talk and they will not attack them unless they get attacked first.
Bottom line is that this is all about Isreal an they are not the innocent ones.They are the ones with nukes and they are the ones that are denying of having them. |
Israel has nukes I know. Canada has nukes. USA gives us the nukes to take apart... but we dont take them apart ;) just remmeber that.
I dont listen to the media, idiot.
When you have an extremist leader talking .
Wtv, no reason to explain to a schmuck like you anything. |
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by jesteraver
Israel has nukes I know. Canada has nukes. USA gives us the nukes to take apart... but we dont take them apart ;) just remmeber that.
I dont listen to the media, idiot.
When you have an extremist leader talking .
Wtv, no reason to explain to a schmuck like you anything. |
I can sense the fear in you little boy.Dont be scared though America will protect your ass over and over again. |
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| TRANCEEEE |
| quote: | Originally posted by jesteraver
Israel has nukes I know. Canada has nukes. USA gives us the nukes to take apart... but we dont take them apart ;) just remmeber that.
I dont listen to the media, idiot.
When you have an extremist leader talking .
Wtv, no reason to explain to a schmuck like you anything. |
you're an idiot
you're a product of CNN/NBCNews etc ... |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
you really think Iran is going to attack Isreal with nukes when they know very well that it will be the end for them if they do? |
| quote: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4911150.stm
Muslim world urged to fund Hamas
The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has called on the Muslim world to help the Palestinian people and their Hamas-led government.
Both he and President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched strong attacks on the West as a three-day forum on Palestinian solidarity began in Tehran.
The US Treasury has this week further tightened Palestinian cash flows.
But Palestinian PM Ismail Haniya said on Friday the cuts in funds would not weaken the people's resolve.
Late on Friday, the Russian Foreign Ministry said Moscow had agreed to provide "urgent financial aid" to the Palestinian Authority.
The US and European Union cut off aid to the authority after Hamas took power on 30 March, because the militant group refuses to renounce violence and recognise Israel.
'Rotten tree'
Ayatollah Khamenei, opening the Tehran conference, said all Muslims had a duty to help the Palestinian people and should not remain indifferent to tyranny.
The chain of plots by the American government aimed at governing the Middle East through the control of the Zionist regime will not succeed
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
He launched a scathing attack on the West, saying its liberal democracy was like a poison.
He said global imperialism led by the US president openly threatened the Muslim world by talking about launching a crusade against it
President Ahmadinejad widened the attack to include Israel, which he said was "a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm".
The president provoked an international outcry last October when he cast doubts on the Holocaust and said Israel should be "wiped off the map".
On Friday he said there were no doubts about the holocaust suffered by the Palestinian people in the past 60 years and that the Palestinians should not pay the price for what the West said were crimes against Jews.
"Believe that Palestine will be freed soon," he said.
The conference came as the US Treasury banned its nationals from doing business with the Hamas-led Palestinian Authority.
It said the militant Islamist group had a vested interest in the transactions of the authority.
The US is making exceptions for government entities under the direct control of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, whose Fatah movement is a rival of Hamas.
'Oil and olives'
Mr Haniya said on Friday the suspension of Western aid to the Palestinians would never defeat the Hamas-led administration.
He said the West would not succeed in isolating the government because it had the full support of Palestinians.
"We will eat cooking oil and olives," he said.
Mr Haniya was addressing Friday prayers in Gaza before the start of a series of rallies aimed at demonstrating support for the Hamas-led administration.
In response to the financial crisis, the Russian foreign ministry said Moscow would grant the Palestinian Authority urgent financial aid.
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov made the pledge to Mr Abbas in a telephone call, a ministry statement said.
Russia says Hamas should recognise Israel and enter negotiations but it believes denying aid is a mistake.
The militant group's political leader in exile, Khaled Meshaal, is attending the Tehran conference to gain funding pledges.
Iran has said it will fund the Hamas-led government but so far no figures have been publicly pledged and no concrete deals have yet been announced at the conference. |
Is the Iranian government crazy enough to attack other countries? Absolutely, because key people in the government are part of an apocalyptic cult. The principles of Mutually Assured Destruction don't apply to them because dying for their faith is part of their religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hojjatieh
| quote: | | They believe that chaos must be created to hasten the return of the Mahdi, the 12th Shi'ite Imam. Only then, they argue, can a genuine Islamic republic be established. |
http://philomathean.blogs.com/philo...05/11/iran.html
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fir3start3r
What? Dirt?
Don't say 'oil' because you know damn well that the oil fields were immediately given to the Iraqi people after Saddam was ousted... |
oh yes... the US admin went into Iraq and spent 400 billion just to give back Iraqs oil to the people. SURE BUDDY!!
The US didnt go into Iraq to take the oil, but rather control it through its many subsidiary corporate puppets. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
oh yes... the US admin went into Iraq and spent 400 billion just to give back Iraqs oil to the people. SURE BUDDY!!
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I never said it wasn't to help continue the flow (and stop corruption and the skimming happening in the "Oil for Food" scandal) but they aren't raping the place either like you're suggesting...:rolleyes:
Most the oil fields ARE owned by the Irais however the distribution and running of the fields are being run by those corporations that have the capital to do it, something the Iraqis don't have because of the nanny state Saddam turned the place into...
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The US didnt go into Iraq to take the oil, but rather control it through its many subsidiary corporate puppets.
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Somewhat true. It's true there was a lot of foriegn investment that was lost due to Saddam's 'nationalization' and not just American.
Again, if Saddam actually allowed private business ownership and not let the Iraqi people be so dependant on him for every little thing, they probably would have been in a better position not having to rely on foreigners having to do their job for them. |
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| ShadoWolf |
http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...ILES.xml&rpc=22
Iran has missiles that put Europe in range: report
JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Iran has received a first shipment of missiles from North Korea that are capable of reaching Europe, Israel's military intelligence chief was quoted on Thursday as saying.
Known in the West as BM-25s, the Russian-designed missiles have a range of around 1,500 miles, giving them a longer reach than the Iranian-made Shihab-4 missiles which are capable of hitting Israel.
The intelligence chief, Major-General Amos Yadlin, was quoted by Israel's Haaretz newspaper as saying in a lecture on Wednesday that some BM-25s had arrived in Iran.
The BM-25 was originally manufactured in the Soviet Union, where it was known as the SSN6, a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead, Haaretz reported.
After the Russians decommissioned the SSN6, the missiles were sold to North Korea, which adapted them to carry a heavier payload, the newspaper's military affairs correspondent said.
In February, a German diplomat, citing his country's intelligence data, confirmed a German newspaper report that said Iran had purchased 18 disassembled BM-25s from North Korea.
Israel has been urging the international community to pressure Iran to halt its nuclear programme as well as its efforts to obtain long-range missiles.
Iran, the world's fourth largest producer of crude oil, says its nuclear programme is a peaceful project to provide electricity.
Israel is widely believed to have more than 200 nuclear warheads. It declines to comment on its atomic program, saying only it will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East. |
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