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Why all the AvB hate?
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| finalhazard |
hey tranceaddicts, my name is finalhazard and i recently started really getting into trance.
well, the classics, anyway.
ferry corsten- sublime
the thrillseekers- synaesthesia
bt- flaming june
etc., call em cheese, but whatev.
my main question is why armin is hated all the time. it seems like people constantly talk about armin, even tho i personally haven't heard any other producers use as major (?) chord progressions in the style of
Cmaj - Cmaj7 - CMaj9
i dont remember if that's an actual chord progression from armin, but just as an example of what I'm talking about.
so why the hate against big djs like Tiesto, Ferry, AvB, Pvd, etc?
is it a conformity issue?
cheers |
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| ShaunLovesHouse |
| There's a lot of hate for any of the big DJs out there. Partly because they're so popular, it is often considered cool to bash them. |
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| s3nate |
| Flaming June isn't cheese. |
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| Numidia |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShaunLovesHouse
There's a lot of hate for any of the big DJs out there. Partly because they're so popular, it is often considered cool to bash them. |
On the contrary, when it comes to Armin it's quite uncool to bash him around here. People with any criticisms of him, no matter how small, are definitely in the minority on this site. |
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| ShaunLovesHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Numidia
On the contrary, when it comes to Armin it's quite uncool to bash him around here. People with any criticisms of him, no matter how small, are definitely in the minority on this site. |
Well good! I like Armin. :D |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by finalhazard
hey tranceaddicts, my name is finalhazard and i recently started really getting into trance.
well, the classics, anyway.
ferry corsten- sublime
the thrillseekers- synaesthesia
bt- flaming june
etc., call em cheese, but whatev.
my main question is why armin is hated all the time. it seems like people constantly talk about armin, even tho i personally haven't heard any other producers use as major (?) chord progressions in the style of
Cmaj - Cmaj7 - C9
i dont remember if that's an actual chord progression from armin, but just as an example of what I'm talking about.
so why the hate against big djs like Tiesto, Ferry, AvB, Pvd, etc?
is it a conformity issue?
cheers |
Well I like all the tunes you listed, those are classics. As far as AvB hating, well with any DJ/Producer, they aren't consistently good. They go in directions that some of us don't agree with, either it's changing their sound, doing silly stuff like "megamixes" which Armin has done and well..you can't really enjoy a 30 second snippet of a track, or lackluster productions, as Armin hasn't had a really phenomenal remix in a while. Some of his productions are okay, but if you compare even his really early stuff, they were good. He's also releasing Communication 4, which is pretty dumb. I guess the point is that DJs sometimes disappoint, and other times they are really good. I personally don't hate Armin, but there are times when I think he could improve. I think other people just hate because it makes them sound good, and I will admit to doing that occasionally...but I think it just comes down to the fact that they aren't consistent with their productions, remixes, mixed CDs, live sets etc...I guess they can't please everyone and be on top all the time. Sometimes changing their sound is good, but just as long as the quality doesn't diminish. |
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by Numidia
On the contrary, when it comes to Armin it's quite uncool to bash him around here. People with any criticisms of him, no matter how small, are definitely in the minority on this site. |
They're the minority, but the most vocal.
Who cares though? Listen to what you like, and only consciously look into suggestions. |
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| flavdave |
| What the hell do chord progressions have to do with anything? |
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by flavdave
What the hell do chord progressions have to do with anything? |
Obviously it's the reason why The Beatles invented electricity and ear wax. Obviously. |
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| Numidia |
Does anyone else ever get the feeling that 95% of the people who say "chord progression" on this site don't even know what it means?
Not to be an ass.. i'm just wondering |
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| Demoted |
| quote: | Originally posted by Numidia
Does anyone else ever get the feeling that 95% of the people who say "chord progression" on this site don't even know what it means?
Not to be an ass.. i'm just wondering |
I just like listening to repetative music. |
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| RebeL9 |
Hate is a very sharp word. I wouldn't use it. I would instead use the word disappointment .
To make a long story short this it how it goes:
Armin when he started to make himself a name as a DJ around 99/00 was praised by many. He was hailed not only because of of his high production quality, but also because of his innovative DJ sets which in comparison with Tiesto was not only full of epic trance but also contained some techno and house tunes. He was the one that pushed the boundaries back then. And he could mix really good on CD as well which he prooved on mix albums such as Boundaries of Imagination and his own series called Armin van Buuren 001-004.
In 2001 he started his weekly radio show A State of Trance on the dutch radio. This was also broadcasted online so listeners from all around the world could access it. A State of Trance was a platform for new and upcoming producers to showcast their new productions. Armin noticed that there was alot of talent here to take benefit of and in 2003 he started his own label Armada Music with several sub labels.
In think the founding of Armada was the first negative blow to Armin. Until that point a majority of people highly appriciated A State of Trance as a radioshow and Armin as a DJ. But afterwards you could clearly see the quality drop of the tunes played there. Not only did he play alot of tunes from his own labels but alot of the tunes he was playing used exactly the same sounds and patterns. What was happening was that a new wave of young producers were trying their luck with cheap home made software which was available for everyone and in a couple of hours anyone could make his own tune which easily could get signed.
Nothing wrong with new and upcoming producers but what these producers did was to copy the sound of their own idols such as Ferry Corsten, DJ Tiesto, Rank1 etc. Just that these sound were pretty new and cool 6-7 years ago but re-hashed later resulted in pretty lame tunes. These tunes totally dominated ASOT and Armins DJ sets.
The second blow to Armins reputation was his close partnership with Markus Schulz and his Coldharbour Recordings (a sublabel of Armada).
Markus Schulz had by 2003-2004 already gained himself a name as one of the new big DJs. Markus played a fusion of house and simple trance. However it was a sound by which many got tiresome after a while. Some called it "sleepy prog" other called it "mcprog". Progressive music which simply was quickly put together.
Markus's sound influenced Armins as well and Armin started to loose his once so energetic and refreshing sound and instead opted for the more commercial sound. Which could clearly be heard on his debute album "76" released in 2004. Alot of Armins older fans expected an album full of tunes of the same callibre as Communication, Clear Blue Moon and Star Theme. But already on "76" you could clearly hear that Armin was going for a more commercial and vocalized sound.
on his second album "Shivers" which more or less was full of collaborations with different singers Armin already had lost alot of his old faithfull fans. Tunes such as "Shivers" and "Serenity" didn't even go well down among his most hardcore fans.
To wrap up everything: When Armin is critisized today he is mainly because of the old fans feels Armin failed them when he went for the easier poppier sound. They remember Armin as the guy that produced and remixed tunes such as:
Aria - Dido (AvB remix)
Gouryella - Walhalla (AvB remix)
Moogwai - Viola (Avb remix)
Gaia - 4 Elements (AvB remix)
Airscape - L'esperanza (Rising Star remix)
Denzil & Dwayne - Force Of Habit (Armin Van Buuren's Rising Star Mix)
Rising Star - Star Theme
Perpetuous Dreamer - Future Funland
compare these with tunes such as "Birth of An Angel" and "Serenity" and you won't believe it's the same guy that produced and remixed it.
Oh this story didn't turn out to be as short as I wished. However hope it clears things up a bit. |
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