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| Freeza |
| Yea, I too got a little upset when i saw that add. I have noticed that there are a coupple of different ones out now. It is a stupid add, but I don't let it bother me...I know the truth hahaha:eek: |
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| ABTsportsline |
*yawn*
come on guys, stop being so damn naive!!
Apri_peel is the ONLY person here who knows whats going on. The commercials are meant to be stupid on purpose, b/c it sparks conversation, and you won't forget it. And guess what, by starting this thread and talking about it, you let the government win. So, my pre-pubescent friends, i am laughing at *you*!
I think both Tiesto14 and Thor are not realizing they are talking about two totally different areas.... Thor is from Iceland/Calgary, which is a LOT different then NYC. Different countries as a matter of fact. The drug usage-climate is different everywhere, so neither of you guys have a place to say "all drug users this" or "all drug users that".... you're both wrong.
I think you wouldn't be having this arguement if you treated each other with some dignity. Not taking sides here (as i don't necessarily agree with either of you), but Thor's inital reaction to Tiesto14's first post was kinda harsh.... you could have handled it in a more polite manner.
...And i applaud Tiesto14 for FINALLY being the FIRST one to put down facts instead of just saying "no, you're wrong moron" like everyone else likes to do. To those that complained about that: shutup.... until you put up some information from an official site (or equivalent site that is an authority on the subject), you have no place to talk.
On the other hand, Tiesto14 you are stereotyping and generalizing.... Maybe you should read the article you posted.
**The biggest thing you guys need to realize here.... is the separation of casual drug users and habitual/addicted. It just seems to me you lump everyone together... it seems to me that Thor and Biznology are defending the casual drug users, those who do it with friends or at clubs.... these do not necessarily fall under the same group as the drug fiends from the inner-city that Tiesto14 has been referring to the whole time, hence the angered discussion.
Tiesto14: i understand you have lost 2 friends to drugs, and that is unfortunate... that however does not make you an authority on the matter, and those were just 2 isolated instances. I had 2 problems with my civic many years ago, doesn't mean all civics are crappy.
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if you guys want to get all bent-out of shape about a commercial, try the TRUTH campaign anti-tobacco commercials. These commercials are done by executives that "make" it look like its run by kids talking to kids.... they say that tobacco companies are "lying" to us to get us to buy cigarettes... which is total bullsh!t. I smoke, but not b/c i think i "look cool", or b/c i'm "misinformed". I smoke b/c i want to. I know about lung cancer and what it does. Besides the point anyway..... THESE commercials are stupid. And they're not memorable. Just plain stupid.
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| tiesto14 |
| WELL PUT ABT...... |
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| Thor |
Wow, you posted an article, man I could fill 10 pages of this thread with stuff that will shock you.. You want to believe everthing you read, go ahead, I chose to read both sides and make my own opinion..
But what do I know, I'm a degenerate drug user who's also a criminal.
I don't have time to respond right now, at least not properly, I have many things to say to tiesto14, and ATB as well..
But here's a start, if you really want to read something, why not read what AMERICAN law enforcment that are against the drug war have to say:
http://www.drcnet.org/cops/
The fight against the drug war, drug policy reform:
http://www.drcnet.org/
Here's loads more to read, all about drug policy reform:
http://www.csdp.org/
http://www.natlnorml.org/
http://www.newmexicodrugpolicy.org/
http://www.aclu.org/
Here's a good one, from the very respected Human Right's watch, they have a project on drug and human rights.
http://www.hrw.org/about/initiatives/drugs.html |
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| Devbert |
Being 17, and living in the USA, I have a pretty good perspective on this.
I don't know if there is a right answer to the drug war. It is really messed up, but what it really comes down to is freedom of choice.
Drugs are an extremely dangerous toy, but no more dangerous then legal substances, or guns, or extreme sports. Yet I don't go on and on about how guns should be outlawed, and people shouldn't be allowed to mountain climb and do downhill racing.
The problem with drugs is the issue of responsibility and taxation. The government in the United States allows Nicotine and Alcohol to be freely excessible once a certain age has been reached because they bring in billions that get distributed right back to politicians very deep pockets. I don't think stoages and booze should be outlawed though. It's your own decision.
Why is it that if I'm 21 or older, I can smoke 10 packs of cigs a day, drink 2 gallons of Jack Daniels, then eat 4 cubes of butter wrapped in bacon, yet I can't smoke a joint?
As for statistics, big friggin' deal.
"In 1998 an estimated 61,000 convicted jail inmates said they had committed their offense to get money for drugs. "
Wow, over 200 million people living in this country, and less then .1% of them commit crimes for drug money (most likely heroin and crack, AKA Hard Drugs).
There is a big moral crusade in America to "save the children."
Save us from what? Reality? The truth? Education? Freedom of choice?
Life is about making choices, and not always the right ones. Yet we are punished not for hurting ourselves by using drugs, but by hurting ourselves with drugs that sleazebag politicians and corporations don't make a profit off of.
Millions die each year from tobacco and alcohol. That's a fact that I don't think anyone will try and debate. These "drugs" ruin lives just as much as any drug. Yet they remain legal.
"1. What would the world benefit if drugs where legal or decriminalized? "
I don't know if all drugs should be legalized, but decriminilized, definitely. Studies show that drug use would not go up significantly if certain drugs (marijuana, ecstacy, etc.) were legalized. As a teenager, I know it's just as easy to get drugs as it is alcohol. Why is it that if I drink beer I'm just a kid having fun, but if I smoke pot I support terroism?
"2. How would we handle the SURPRISING increase of drug addicts that WOULD occur if this was to happen..because if they where legal more peoplle would have access to them and would experiment with drugs they have not tryed before due to laws? "
I think people will definitely experiment more with certain drugs (once again, marijuana, ecstacy, mushrooms). But most people aren't gonna be immediatly compelled to try heroin, or crack (I'd never do a drug named after a part of my ass, thank you very much). And as long as children were properly educated about the risks of drugs, not being fed the BS that the drug war has been spewing out for the past 2 decades, then I don't think there would be a very large increase in addicts. Once again, what about the millions addicted to nicotine and alcohol? Where's your bleeding heart for them?
"3. What would be the age limit for kids to try them?..do we allow a 16 year old girl who thinks Britney Spears is an icon to try any drug she desires?"
There should probably be an age cap at 18, legal adults. It's your life to live, not someone elses. By doing drugs, your hurting no one but yourself, and that's your god given right. We don't go up to fat people on the street and say "give up the fat and the cholosterol man. Do it for the children." We let people kill themselves by their own devices, as long as it doesn't coincide with the "great conservative beliefs of America."
Yes, we won't let 16 year old girls use drugs, but we'll let them idolize being a young woman who is a sex symbol. It's ok to take off lots of your clothes and to have your entire value based on your appearance, but take drugs?!!!! Good God no!
Ask a cop what he would rather do: break up a group of kids smoking pot or dropping E, or break up a group of drunken bikers at a bar? I don't think I need to post the answer.
"making drugs legal would accomplish nothing....sorry but why make something like drugs legal , that is a cop out...so what your saying is since we havnet been so successful on stopping drug use and abuse that we should make it legal....thats absurd....we would be quiting.... "
I don't think it's a cop out. It's an acknowledgement of the truth. The Drug War in America has been probably the largst long term failure in the history of mankind. That doesn't mean we should not support rehab, and drug education, and decriminilization. It means we need to start being honest with ourselves and those we love. What gives other people the right to tell us what to do with our own lives?
"I jus dont understand why drugs are that important to people...when studies and statistics have shown that they cause harm, crime and death....
i mean seriously what the is so great about shooting heroin and smoking crack....are these temporary highs so good that we should make them legal for all people to try freeley...
you would have more people trying drugs if they where legal...THATS A FACT...then you would have more abuse and more addiction and more people committing cries to feed their DISGUSTING habits purely for a high....."
Drugs are a recreational tool. When used sparingly, they can be enlightening, inspiring, and create new viewpoints on issues. I only smoke weed, and I don't plan on using other drugs. Even if they were legalized tomorrow. They just aren't what I want in my life.
NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE USE HEROIN AND CRACK! It's not an epidemic. Not everyone uses these drugs. Less then 1% of the population have even tried them. Some people will commit crimes for drugs, and that is a problem, but it doesn't mean that thousands of people should be shoved into overcrowded jails that American tax dollars pay for. It means that drugs need to be regulated someway, rather then being obtained by talking to Carlos the corner dealer (no offense to any ethnicities, just a witty use of aalliteration ;)
"Prescription drugs are approved by the FDA and are deemed safe if taken for medicinal purposes in moderation and under strict care of physicians...they are not handed out to whoever wants them....they are used to treat ailments or other disorders..."
Actually it's ironic - we've come to a point where the legal drugs are almost as hard as the illegal ones. nyQuil, Sudafed, Vicodin, etc. All can be obtained, and over the counter medicine is starting to make up for a greater deal of drug addiction.
Smoking pot is used to treat Cancer, AIDS, and other horrible diseases, but our government says "There isn't enough proof. More testing will be done." Meanwhile, these poor souls die slowly in excruciating pain. Because "more testing is needed".
"and aslong as kids keep dying from drugs and crimes keep getting committed cus ofdrugs then the government needs to keep acting on it....or maybe we should jus let people run wild in the streets doing as they please and abolish all laws..theres an idea u all might like...."
You can't just exaggerate the situation to prove a point. Drugs are one area of the law, not the great naysayer over human dictation. The vast majority of the population is addicted to legal drugs in comparison to illegal ones. More people are addicted to cigs and beer then X and Acid and all that stuff put together. Please, don't try to be mocking like that. It makes you come off as ill-informed and ignorant.
ATBSportsline "Apri_peel is the ONLY person here who knows whats going on. The commercials are meant to be stupid on purpose, b/c it sparks conversation, and you won't forget it. And guess what, by starting this thread and talking about it, you let the government win. So, my pre-pubescent friends, i am laughing at *you*!"
That's the thing: they weren't meant to be stupid. They were meant to lie to the face of the nation and tell them that they were supporting the Taliban, whose manufactured drug of choice, the opium poppy, makes up for less then .1% of drug users in the USA, and is sold in just Europe and Asia. American herion comes mainly from Canada, Mexico, and Jamaica.
"To those that complained about that: shutup.... until you put up some information from an official site (or equivalent site that is an authority on the subject), you have no place to talk. "
Evidence needs to get backed up on occasion, but people who like to stay informed can usually tell which facts are trustworthy and which appear false.
"if you guys want to get all bent-out of shape about a commercial, try the TRUTH campaign anti-tobacco commercials. These commercials are done by executives that "make" it look like its run by kids talking to kids.... they say that tobacco companies are "lying" to us to get us to buy cigarettes... which is total bullsh!t. I smoke, but not b/c i think i "look cool", or b/c i'm "misinformed". I smoke b/c i want to. I know about lung cancer and what it does. Besides the point anyway..... THESE commercials are stupid. And they're not memorable. Just plain stupid. "
I definitely agree. "TRUTH" is incredibly stupid marketing. It's as if they don't think people realize that cigs are bad for you. WE KNOW THEY ARE! I don't smoke, but if people want to, power to them. Their lives, their bodies. God, I wish someone would shut those people up.
In conclusion, I don't think I'm more right then any of you. A lot of what I've written is just personnal opinion. But it's a sad sad world if we've come to the point where we accuse potsmokers of contributing to the WTC attacks. |
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| SYNthSRI |
Thor: Good site
Tiesto14: sXe is a good policy for you -- be happy about it :)
ABT: stop smokin fagz -- ugh I hate the way my clothez get that cigarette smoke soaked in em when I go out -- I blame you! :p j/k
DevBert: Good read.
here's my $0.02 (whether you guyz like it or not!):p
Educating people is all fine and dandy, but guess what? We try to educate people for FREE and there's still loads of drop outz from school. What does THAT say? From my experience with people, they tend to LIKE being ignorant and enjoy basking in the sun with the (little) knowledge that they possess.
Onto the real topic, the ADS. The ads DO reflect a lot about our government's policy over this issue, which being, don't say much but spend loads of our tax dollarz and resources. Instead of criticizing the Ads, how about doing something proactive, by creating your own ad that 'educates' people within 30 seconds about drugs. Hmm, just a thought.
Personally, I *LIKE* the tRUTH ads, especially the one with the RAT POISON. Knowing one thing is bad and than SEEING it BEING BAD are two different things, that is what tRUTH tries to convey, which I applaud them for. |
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| tiesto14 |
THOR....i am NOT going to respond to you yet..because i am going to read each and every article you posted first...so i can your side...
But u said i posted and article and do i beleive everything i read...well WHAT DID YOU DO...you also posted sites with information...so why is that i or you or anyone for that matter should beleive your articles over mine...are yours more credible?..come on...statistics are statistics...you tell me to present proof that drug use leads to criminal activity and I DID...and now u say its all lies...are you a conspiricy theorist?..why would the UD Justice Dept lie...come on....if they are lieing then so are your resources...your not even being fair and i doubt u read one word of the stats....you are very ONE sided as oppose to me who is going to take a GOOD look into what u told me to go look at.....I presented PROOF that drugs in the U.S. in MANY cases leads to crime and poverty and even unstable work ethics and you denounce them as if they are garbage....dont ask for proof if you cant handle the true statistics in America...which i showed.....i will respond to you when i finish reading...maybe u should read what i posted as well and dont be so CLOSED MINDED...be back soon
DEVBERT......
..........You are 17 and are still young and think everything you do is the right decision...i dont mean to put you down but when i was your age i also beleived certain things like you posted when i experimented with drugs and other things.,...but as you grow and learn with life you come to rationalize and realize more and more ....you will see what i mean when you are older...right now u think u know all...and thats VERY NORMAL for your age..i aswell as everyone else was the same way when we where 17...
you said this
"Why is it that if I'm 21 or older, I can smoke 10 packs of cigs a day, drink 2 gallons of Jack Daniels, then eat 4 cubes of butter wrapped in bacon, yet I can't smoke a joint?"
.....WELL because its the LAW in America....laws that have been set forth to to rectify a safe and normal society...that the MAJORITY of American citizens agree upon....yes there are the few moderate drug users who use soft drugs who are not hurting anyone but it is still the law...
Well those 61,000 people broke the law while under the influence or buying drugs...that a problem..
All countries wanna save their children..not just America...American children have it easy compared to many countries...yet we take it for granted because of the "i want syndrome" that plagues them nowadays...American kids are seen by many as arrogant and spoiled brats...what they are tring to save the children from is drug addictions, crime, poverty, unstable mental health
and many other factors that can hinder a person....they are not doing it to punish you...they are doing it to protect you and to guide you in a manner that is morally and ethically stable...
Alcohol and cigarettes are substances aswell but they are legal...and dont think cus they are legal that a teenager is ALLOWED to use them...by law they are not and many steps have been taken or tried to prevent teenage usage....u ever hear of MADD or SADD...the government doesnt want teenagers to use them either....
You said teach the children about the drugs if they where legal or decriminalized...well right now drugs are ILLEGAL and we cant keep kids from doing them..how is that u think if they where LEGAL we would have a better job..what because then they would be allowed...America so much ILLEGAL drug useage right now by teenagers so to go and make it legal would not hinder it...but instead make it socialbley acceptable...hence more usage...
you said when u use drugs your ONLY hurting your self...well thats not true...go back and read some newspapers or statistics...drugs usage tends to lead to domestic abuse, murder, robbery, bad work ethics and many other things,...Fat people ARE infact only hurtinf themselves...go back and rethink that one....how many times have you seen a fat guy rob a store for a fix of a hamburger or hit someone for a twinkie...be logical
That cop according to his job doesnt have that right to care which to break up its his job whetehr he likes it or not..he is there to uphold the law..
Giving up on the drug war simlply cus it isnt working well is a cop out..its quiting...well the murder rate in NYC jus went up a little maybe we should make it legal since they keep happening...thats just dumb...jus cus the efforts havent succeeded doesnt mean u stop...
Drugs may inspire people...but they are more then often less inspiring and lead to bad behavior in a scoiety inwhich we have rules...if you wanna smoke a joint in your house then i feel that is ok but get real drugs are an pathetic escape from lifes realities....most people take them cus they obviously can not function in our society without them...thats sad....
If you take NYQUIL or the such to get high then you are just a moron...if you need a high that bad that u would take cold medicines or sniff glue or use andthing of the sort then you are a low life and a degenerate that has serious issues....
and would everyone please get it straight his name is not ATB its ABT....thats begining to piss me off |
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| Devbert |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYNthSRI
Thor: Good site
Tiesto14: sXe is a good policy for you -- be happy about it :)
ABT: stop smokin fagz -- ugh I hate the way my clothez get that cigarette smoke soaked in em when I go out -- I blame you! :p j/k
DevBert: Good read.
here's my $0.02 (whether you guyz like it or not!):p
Educating people is all fine and dandy, but guess what? We try to educate people for FREE and there's still loads of drop outz from school. What does THAT say? From my experience with people, they tend to LIKE being ignorant and enjoy basking in the sun with the (little) knowledge that they possess.
Onto the real topic, the ADS. The ads DO reflect a lot about our government's policy over this issue, which being, don't say much but spend loads of our tax dollarz and resources. Instead of criticizing the Ads, how about doing something proactive, by creating your own ad that 'educates' people within 30 seconds about drugs. Hmm, just a thought.
Personally, I *LIKE* the tRUTH ads, especially the one with the RAT POISON. Knowing one thing is bad and than SEEING it BEING BAD are two different things, that is what tRUTH tries to convey, which I applaud them for. |
People do enjoy the bliss of ignorance, but I wouldn't say too much about our educational system. It isn't the apex of divine learnings.
The TRUTH ads seem like witty social commentary, but they are pointless. Who here does not know that Tobacco is bad for you? Everyone knows they are, especially the people who smoke them. It's their choice.
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Devbert
Educate the children, don't lie to em'. |
how are they lieing? |
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| Devbert |
In response to tiesto14 (Nice handle by the way, Tiesto is a Trance God):
"..........You are 17 and are still young and think everything you do is the right decision...i dont mean to put you down but when i was your age i also beleived certain things like you posted when i experimented with drugs and other things.,...but as you grow and learn with life you come to rationalize and realize more and more ....you will see what i mean when you are older...right now u think u know all...and thats VERY NORMAL for your age..i aswell as everyone else was the same way when we where 17... "
I don't think everything I do is the right decision. As I stated earlier, life is about making choices, and not always the right ones. I don't think all drugs should be legalized, but Marijuana yes, and Ecstacy and Mushrooms need to be decriminilized.
"you said this
"Why is it that if I'm 21 or older, I can smoke 10 packs of cigs a day, drink 2 gallons of Jack Daniels, then eat 4 cubes of butter wrapped in bacon, yet I can't smoke a joint?"
.....WELL because its the LAW in America....laws that have been set forth to to rectify a safe and normal society...that the MAJORITY of American citizens agree upon....yes there are the few moderate drug users who use soft drugs who are not hurting anyone but it is still the law... "
Just because it's the LAW doesn't mean it's moral, ethical, or meaningful. The LAW is designed to punish those who do wrong, and it fails to do that in a lot of cases. Our US Government puts on a facade that they are anti-tobacco, and anti-alchohol, when they are being given millions by the same corporations. They pretend they dislike them to get re-elected, then do nothing about them. And a "few moderate drug users"? There are a ton of moderate drug users, and they don't hurt anyone at all. Once again, just because it's the LAW, doesn't mean it's correct. And I wouldn't say that Tobacco and Alcohol rectify a safe and normal society. They just contribute to the many addictions that are out there. But I believe people should be able to experiment with their lives if they want to.
"Well those 61,000 people broke the law while under the influence or buying drugs...that a problem..
All countries wanna save their children..not just America...American children have it easy compared to many countries...yet we take it for granted because of the "i want syndrome" that plagues them nowadays...American kids are seen by many as arrogant and spoiled brats...what they are tring to save the children from is drug addictions, crime, poverty, unstable mental health
and many other factors that can hinder a person....they are not doing it to punish you...they are doing it to protect you and to guide you in a manner that is morally and ethically stable... "
They did break the law indeed. Still doesn't mean the LAW is just.
Yes, American kids of spoiled. Yes, we are overprotected, overcared for, and overworried about. Most kids don't give a $hit about the news, or anything outside their little high school world. But I refuse to live my life in a manner that is based on someone else's morals. I don't want to live in a conservative Christian society. I want more freedom then that.
"Alcohol and cigarettes are substances aswell but they are legal...and dont think cus they are legal that a teenager is ALLOWED to use them...by law they are not and many steps have been taken or tried to prevent teenage usage....u ever hear of MADD or SADD...the government doesnt want teenagers to use them either.... "
Just because their legal doesn't make them good. Most kids in high school, and a ton in college get drunk consistently. And actually not much is being done to stop it. Once again, Drinking, in moderation and when done intelligently, is not dangerous. Don't drive, don't take 21 shots on your 21st birthday, you'll be alright. I'm not saying that if drugs were legalized or decriminilized you should be able to use them at any age.
"you said when u use drugs your ONLY hurting your self...well thats not true...go back and read some newspapers or statistics...drugs usage tends to lead to domestic abuse, murder, robbery, bad work ethics and many other things,...Fat people ARE infact only hurtinf themselves...go back and rethink that one....how many times have you seen a fat guy rob a store for a fix of a hamburger or hit someone for a twinkie...be logical "
CERTAIN DRUGS!!! Crack, Heroin, Coke, etc. Some of the most dangerous substances in the world. I'm not promoting use of them. And even to that degree, not that much crime occurs because of it.
Alcoholism leads to thousands of driving fatalities, liver failures, heart disease, and other horrible deaths. Yet we don't make it illegal because it ruins other peoples lives. It's considered a small majority, just like it is with drugs. It's actually far greater with alcohol then it is with most drugs.
And I will compare soft drug use to obesity. No one is effected on a personnal level by it except the person who does it. And it's their decision. People need to get the "thin is good" mentality out of their head. Says who? And I don't think "Sober 24/7/365" is a good mentality either.
"That cop according to his job doesnt have that right to care which to break up its his job whetehr he likes it or not..he is there to uphold the law.. "
The point of the cop analogy was to point out that soft drugs present a much smaller risk to police officers then a legal drug, such as alcohol.
"Giving up on the drug war simlply cus it isnt working well is a cop out..its quiting...well the murder rate in NYC jus went up a little maybe we should make it legal since they keep happening...thats just dumb...jus cus the efforts havent succeeded doesnt mean u stop... "
Please stop using that "it's getting worse so why don't we legalize it" mocking tone. I'm not saying make all drugs legal. But that doesn't mean that people should be punished to the degree they are, or that the laws are just. Drugs are very similar to murder actually. They aren't gonna go away. They need to be dealt with effectively. Look at the penalties for murder: life in prison and the death penalty. And you dont' see murder going done in rates because of harsh penalties, do you?
"Drugs may inspire people...but they are more then often less inspiring and lead to bad behavior in a scoiety inwhich we have rules...if you wanna smoke a joint in your house then i feel that is ok but get real drugs are an pathetic escape from lifes realities....most people take them cus they obviously can not function in our society without them...thats sad.... "
In your opinion they are a pathetic escape. Your entitled to your opinion. But please don't generalize millions by saying "most people take them cus they obviously can not function in our society without them". Most people aren't addicted to drugs, they use them recreationally.
I still believe that Americans shouldn't have to throw away their tax dollars at a problem that is being approached with the same way every time. It just doesn't work. |
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| ABTsportsline |
great debate here, i like this...
i apologize for my earlier triteness in my response, didn't mean to be so rude/harsh... had a bad day. I did not mean to "attack" anyone and i am not picking sides.
The one thing i will stick to, however, is that the TRUTH commercials are downright stupid.
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| Special_K |
Man.....you guys must REALLY love your drugs. you actually found this add offensive? thats pretty strange. You know in some way or another waaaaaaaay down the line its more then possible that drugs can in some way fund terrorism, im sure they have already proven this fact.
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