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Portugal - Holland (June 25th) (Round of 16) [D1-C2] (pg. 19)
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
we're not talking about supporters, we're talking about the actual team. England players have always had class and I can't recall any that have such a flagrant reputation for diving like the endless lists of Italians, Brazilians and Portuguese. |
For you the most important thing in the whole sport is to NOT COMMIT THE DEVILISH SIN OF DIVING!!1111!1 I just happen not to be obsessed with it. In fact I love how for you apparently the english players are at another complete level of class and will never ever ever do any act anywhere near a lack of fairplay, and will never ever ever let the heat of the game take care of their emotions. English players are fair play robots, portuguese are cheating scum.
| quote: | | And if you want to talk about idiot supporters, come to Canada and observe the 3rd and 4th generation Portuguese Canadian fans. Wow...half of them have never even been to Portugal (I knew many portuguese families growing up) but when soccer is on, look out, the nationalism is so over the top. |
Given that logic shouldn't you be cheering for Canada then? I don't care about our immigrants, I know they're mostly wits. If they're 3rd or 4th generation then they're canadians, go bash your country then.
| quote: | | Oh boo hoo. I don't know how you can defend your "team" after that display. England might not win a whole lot (and last time I checked Portugal haven't won anything), but they never, ever act like that on the pitch and they never will. |
I thought the english were all obsessed with "glory hunters" and how real fans only support 3rd division teams. Now I cannot cheer for my national team (and let me say i'm very far from patriotic, or fanatic for the squad, just happen to want them to win) because we've never won a trophy.
As for the 11 canonized saints that England fields every game, see above. |
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| InDeepSpace |
Mark van Bommels faller was great hollywood action. Reminds me of Rivaldo Vs. Turkey 4 years ago.
The biggest unsympath was Heitinga for dont givin the ball back; Deco showed em this clearley!!!! That was a nice one! |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
Man, when have England players been accused of diving all the time? Does Rooney dive? Beckham? Terry? No they do not. They do not have that reputation. Figo and C. Ronaldo (plus countless Brazilians and bascially every Italian player), on the other hand, very much do. Ronaldo is booed everywhere he goes in England every time he touches the ball. He's a ing disgrace. Ask anyone around here. And yes, diving bothers me to no end. It should annoy any fan of the game because at times, it ruins a great sport. Look at what happened to Australia today! THAT is what is wrong with football!
And I was born in England to an English dad and Canadian mom with English parents so...ugh yeah.;)
I don't begrudge you for cheering for Portugal. It's your country, you should cheer for them. But they acted like animals on the pitch yesterday and they cannot be defended. I can't believe Scolari is accusing Holland of instigating the problems. |
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| paranoik0 |
Yesterday I saw Rooney throwing himself onto other players and the pitch, then moaning about unexistent faults. I also remember something similar from Terry.
It wasn't as theatral as what Figo and Ronaldo have done in some ocasions, but it shows that altho nobody really likes it, trying your best to get fouls for your team is a part of the game and everybody does it to some extent.
Can't say I was exactly proud of some attitudes our players had yesterday. Starting by Nuno Valente who was causing trouble everywhere. Costinha was an idiot. Figo's incident with Van Bommel was also ugly, and he did exagerate a bit on the elbowing by Boulahrouz, but I give him a little bit of a break since these two guys annoyed me to end during the entire game. Nevermind being on the pitch.
Yet on the other hand they were absolutely fantastic on what they gave to the game, on the huge concentration they shown by perfectly defending the lead without ever abandoning the will to counter-attack. The determination some of our players put in some tackles (to the ball) was brilliant. You can bet I was proud of that.
If Scolari really said that, well it obviously has its touch of bias, but Holland did instigate some problems as we did and as the ref did. It was all a huge snowball effect where one thing lead to the other, then to the other, then a bad ref decision, then a violent tackle, then a retaliation and so on. It's undeniable we have our responsabilities but I partly understand their actions as the game was extremely tense, dramatic and frustrating at times. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
I'd never say that Portuguese players aren't skilled; they are! Eusebio was probably in the top 5 best players of all time and, as much as I might not like them, Ronaldo and Figo are also both great. I just wish they'd reexamine their attitude and cut out some of the theatrics for which they are known. It's kinda sad for Deco. I like him and Valente the most on Portugal but he won't be able to play on Saturday but his cards were justified. Maniche's goal was stellar too and they did defend well...but Holland I think blew two or three clear chances.
Rooney was just more frustrated at playing up front on his own than anything and wasn't bitching about the lack of fouls called for him, but one or two that were called on him. He's a wild bugger and will one day get himself into trouble. But I just do not see England players ever having reputations as divers and I never see people accusing them of it either. Sure, it goes on from all sides and is a part of the game, but some players take it to the far extreme. |
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| raveed |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I'd like to see Figo try to headbutt Wayne Rooney. He might not survive the rest of the match.:D |
Englands world cup chances will go up in smoke if figo did that because figo'l crack his skull since rooney's built like a rock and then rooney'l proceed to break the rest of him which is exactly what portugal would want since england without rooney and owen could be a disaster since Mr. Twig will then come on.
| quote: | | Yesterday I saw Rooney throwing himself onto other players and the pitch, then moaning about unexistent faults. I also remember something similar from Terry. |
rooney's a hot headed player who wants to score everytime he gets the ball. His style of play is to run at the players and take them on so obviously hes going to get tackled a lot. Whether its a fair tackle or not, hes going to get pissed of because he didnt get an attempt on goal and thats his nature. Besides the arsenal game 2 seasons ago, i dont recall rooney ever taking a blatant dive. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by raveed
Englands world cup chances will go up in smoke if figo did that because figo'l crack his skull since rooney's built like a rock and then rooney'l proceed to break the rest of him which is exactly what portugal would want since england without rooney and owen could be a disaster since Mr. Twig will then come on.
rooney's a hot headed player who wants to score everytime he gets the ball. His style of play is to run at the players and take them on so obviously hes going to get tackled a lot. Whether its a fair tackle or not, hes going to get pissed of because he didnt get an attempt on goal and thats his nature. Besides the arsenal game 2 seasons ago, i dont recall rooney ever taking a blatant dive. |
yes I know and I suspect that Portugal might go after Rooney's foot to test it out. THey did, after all, break it in the last Euro. If he had stayed on the pitch, that game would probably have ended differently. Nobody wants to see RoboCrouch out there again!
See, you agree with me about Rooney. He doesn't dive! He might be ugly, ill tempered and not very smart, but he plays the game as honestly as anyone I've ever seen. He could have taken a dive against Sweden when he was actually marginally fouled inside the box and he also could have played up the bit against Ecuador when two of them blocked his way. But he didn't. |
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| Siesta |
| quote: | Originally posted by InDeepSpace
Mark van Bommels faller was great hollywood action. Reminds me of Rivaldo Vs. Turkey 4 years ago.
The biggest unsympath was Heitinga for dont givin the ball back; Deco showed em this clearley!!!! That was a nice one! |
I think it was a good action, the Portu's weren't sympath too (figo's action etc). and if heitinga had give the ball back. Holland could have wait for another 20 min because the portu's weren't very fast to throw the ball in the field.
IT was very very weak to see, in every 5 min, one player of portugal was "injured".
Only 52 min were played in this match, all because those arrogant, unsympath and ugly players from portugay. |
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| sr126 |
| quote: | Originally posted by raveed
rooney's a hot headed player who wants to score everytime he gets the ball. His style of play is to run at the players and take them on so obviously hes going to get tackled a lot. Whether its a fair tackle or not, hes going to get pissed of because he didnt get an attempt on goal and thats his nature. Besides the arsenal game 2 seasons ago, i dont recall rooney ever taking a blatant dive. |
he's more like a bull in a china shop. sure he doesn't have a rep for diving, but he is no gentleman. to me he looks more like he's playing rugby instead of football, then whines when he doens't get a call when people return the favor. he's going out of his way in building up serious bad karma points. i don't think anybody should try to defend his style of playing. i can understand that he's eager, and wants to do things for his team. but he's a poor sport. he's the exact opposite of what most british people are known for, CLASS. |
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| Arno F |
| quote: | Originally posted by Siesta
I think it was a good action, the Portu's weren't sympath too (figo's action etc). and if heitinga had give the ball back. Holland could have wait for another 20 min because the portu's weren't very fast to throw the ball in the field.
IT was very very weak to see, in every 5 min, one player of portugal was "injured".
Only 52 min were played in this match, all because those arrogant, unsympath and ugly player from portugay. |
Indead, why should he even thought of Fair Play while you play against such a team as Portugal. The refereekick was given after the Portugese keeper did a nice Hollywood play and Deco (?) just played further while the Dutch wanted to play the ball outside the field to give Ricardo some time.
The action of Heitinga was the only good thing to do, the attack on him should have been red, at least the whole country here sees him as a hero after this great action :tongue3 :crazy: :haha:
And Boularouz was even better, he did what the whole country wanted: a whining Ronaldo, Boula should get a statue for this :haha: |
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| chesco |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Man, when have England players been accused of diving all the time? Does Rooney dive? Beckham? Terry? No they do not. |
John terry's diving against ecuador was laughable, the one where he was running for the ball going into the corner with an ecuador player and his back and he flung himself to the ground without being touched, no doubt you never seen that one? For a centre back to go down so easily was quite incredible. I notice you never mentioned owen, who isn't adverse to the odd dive here or there and then yes, steven gerrard who's diving antics seem to be condoned by the english.
Granted the england players dont dive as often as some, but you talk as tho your national team is exempt from it altogether. AS the last world cup showed, if there's the chance of a penalty, and an opposing player comes near one of your players, then they will not hesitate to fall over. |
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| raveed |
| quote: | Originally posted by sr126
he's the exact opposite of what most british people are known for, CLASS. |
and how much success in the sporting world has that class got them?
hes also the exact opposite of another aspect that british sportsmen lack and that is - having the will to win & settling for nothing less. The only man who is remotely close to that in the team is Steven Gerrard and you can see what a difference he has made in the world cup.
Rooney isn't content with ne game he has played in unless he scored in it. Its no wonder that britain have put their hopes on his shoulders because as of now hes the only bright spark in what has been a mediocre outfit so far. |
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