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Ww Iii (pg. 3)
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| lex400sc |
| north korea is just an attention whore, ignore her. |
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| enferno |
| reminds me of some of the that was going on in the newer ender's game books following bean |
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| emc^2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
north korea is just an attention whore, ignore her. |
Is North Korea alt for Paper Bag or *gasp* Punisher???? |
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| brokeral |
That's right, war does not hurt the economy, but actually keeps our country on top ala 'military-industrial complex'.
We spend $450B/year on defense in this country, and a GOOD portion of that goes to private contracts for weapons development, research, etc...it's the biggest industry in the country. Since WWII, we have CONSTANTLY been in one war after another, to fuel this demand.
Example: The B-2 Bomber has parts assembled in EVERY state in the union. That way, if anyone in Congress ever tried to phase the program out, they would loose votes from their local state (loss of jobs).
Source: http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/
Presidnet Dwight D. Eisenhower WARNED this country during his farewell address to not get sucked up by this complex. We didn't listen, and here we are today.
It's been great for this country, were vastly superior economically and militaristically to any other country in the world, however, you have to question what it has costed peoples of other nations. To think, that just after 9/11/2001 one MILLION people gathered in Tehran, Iran to offer condolences and sympathize with what happened. And now look at the 180-degree outlook in the region. Several millions of people gathered in Rome, Madrid, London, etc. to protest against America going into Iraq ...but I guess we are THAT powerful. We do what we want.
That movie is actually very good. Probably the only political documentary I'd reccommend. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
China wouldn't ally with North Korea. Think about it, states are rational actors. What would they stand to gain from it? If anything, China has more of an interest to prevent a war than anyone. 1 million North Koreans would flood the border within the first week of a war. Not to mention the fact that a war between China and the US wouldn't be like WWII -- no one would stand to gain from a non-conventional war, military-industrial-based economies or not.
The only conflict today that I could legitimitely see erupting into something bigger is Kashmir. India and Pakistan both have the potential to go nuclear, and a couple years ago almost did. Now with the latest bombings appearing to have been by Kashmiri separatists, probably protesting the opening of trade relations between China and India through Chinese Kashmir, things might heat up again. The main question is... where would China fall if India and Pakistan started clamoring for a united Kashmir? Would Chinese claims be challenged by either? And of course the US would get sucked in, but on whose side?
But in any case, North Korea doesn't have the capacity to trigger a World War (despite whatever blow that must be to Kim's ego). Bad things, yes, but World War, no. |
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| astroboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
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| Protege |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Yeah.
What a coincidence that suddenly elections are nearly here... yeah. coincidence. |
what country are you talking about? |
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| brokeral |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
China wouldn't ally with North Korea. Think about it, states are rational actors. What would they stand to gain from it? If anything, China has more of an interest to prevent a war than anyone. 1 million North Koreans would flood the border within the first week of a war. Not to mention the fact that a war between China and the US wouldn't be like WWII -- no one would stand to gain from a non-conventional war, military-industrial-based economies or not. |
Yes, I think the OP was just thinking hypothetically out loud, it's certainly not realistic to expect a WWIII anytime soon. I think most of the sane (read: non-raidcal Islam) world has learned their lesson and is not willing to sacrifice on a WW level again.
The U.S. will never enter a conventional war with major powers again. Since WWII we've only been in wars and conflicts with much smaller, and far less wealthy nations. Just enough to keep the machine pumping. Vietnam was a big screw-up on our part. IMO, it was supposed to be just enough to keep the machine pumping, but we all know how that turned out. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by tribu
Thats what i was thinking....they developed nuclear weapons in response to each other. Kashmir is the big htospot there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashmir |
India never developed Nuclear Bombs thinking of any threat from Pakistan. It was threat from China that lead India to proccure nuclear weapons. India has border issues with China for as long as 50 years, and China openly supports Pakistan (not to mention selling its weapons and nuclear technology to them). Look at Tibet; give China a more free hand and they will invade North-East India any day. India has been in war with China before, and it was to protect itself from China; India went for Nuclear bombs. |
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| Omega_M |
it appals me to read people say that war actually improves economy and site USA as the example. USA is not the whole World. What's wrong with you people ? At who's expense does it become rich ?
USA goes to war on other country's territory. In none of the wars have American citizens directly seen destruction in their neighborhood. USA has never seen a single bomb getting dropped on New York or Washington DC or LA or any city for that matter. You should have asked the British at the end of second world war whether they think the war would boost their economy. The war might eventually have done that for them after 20-30 years. But at what cost ??? Is worth to go through the terror of seeing bombs destroy people, homes, roads, buildings, hospitals and then rebuid them to boost economy ? Come on...
To use war as a means of boosting economy is absolutely disgusting. One country becomes rich at the expense of other. It is not worth to live a life of luxury by killing and destroying the lives of other people. That is not business. |
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| Omega_M |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Anyway, our discussion's come to a point where hardly any of us will change opinions, and I think it would be really rude of me if I just went to bed without answering you. Therefore, I'm just withdrawing from the discussion (and probably someone from PDD, more competent on foreign affairs than I am, will take my place here :p).
I enjoyed it though :) |
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the response which was quoted here was my last post of the day. i hit the post button and went to bed :) |
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