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| Temperate |
We aren't even close to WWIII. If I were to put my money on the spark that starts the fire, it would be America's support of Israel, and America would be the "Bad Guys". The UN has denounced Israels' attack on gaza, and declared it a violation of international law. America... For some odd reason will never stop supporting Israel and it's just sickening.
EDIT: Just read this
I hope Israel gets invaded by a coalition of all the arab countries. |
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| brokeral |
| quote: | Originally posted by Temperate
We aren't even close to WWIII. If I were to put my money on the spark that starts the fire, it would be America's support of Israel, and America would be the "Bad Guys". The UN has denounced Israels' attack on gaza, and declared it a violation of international law. America... For some odd reason will never stop supporting Israel and it's just sickening.
EDIT: Just read this
I hope Israel gets invaded by a coalition of all the arab countries. |
Laughs, it's been tried. They failed miserably. It's called the Six-Days War. A coalition of arab countries tried to invade Israel. They lost within 7 days.
http://www.uncommonknowledge.org/800/806.html
Thats one of many videos on the subject. |
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| brokeral |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_M
it appals me to read people say that war actually improves economy and site USA as the example. USA is not the whole World. What's wrong with you people ? At who's expense does it become rich ?
USA goes to war on other country's territory. In none of the wars have American citizens directly seen destruction in their neighborhood. USA has never seen a single bomb getting dropped on New York or Washington DC or LA or any city for that matter. You should have asked the British at the end of second world war whether they think the war would boost their economy. The war might eventually have done that for them after 20-30 years. But at what cost ??? Is worth to go through the terror of seeing bombs destroy people, homes, roads, buildings, hospitals and then rebuid them to boost economy ? Come on...
To use war as a means of boosting economy is absolutely disgusting. One country becomes rich at the expense of other. It is not worth to live a life of luxury by killing and destroying the lives of other people. That is not business. |
Sorry bud, your all over the place here.
The British went to war due to necessity. They didn't WANT to do it, for any sort of gain.
I would suggest you visit the "Why We Fight" website, watch a bunch of the clips, get your hands on the movie if you can...It'll give you a better understanding of what's going on.
The military-industrial complex took America AFTER WWII. When the US and Soviet Russia were the only remaining powers. The Cold-War, the arms race, etc...it was our duty to stop the arms race after Russia fell. We never did...we couldn't just keep making the weapons for nothing, we had to use em somewhere. Hence the countless wars and conflicts with lesser nations we've been in SINCE WWII.
No one said war is a good thing. I'm pretty sure we all agree it sucks, and nothing good comes of it. However, the American dollar has a louder voice than most of us. |
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| Temperate |
| quote: | Originally posted by brokeral
Laughs, it's been tried. They failed miserably. It's called the Six-Days War. A coalition of arab countries tried to invade Israel. They lost within 7 days.
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I said ALL the arab countries. The reason the six day war was a failure was because only 4 arab countries were involved!
Thanks for trying to educate me. Even though I already knew about it. It was cute. |
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| Subey |
The Trashcan Man was intercepted and diverted and transmuted
Os car Os car (can't you hear Bill Leigh Crystal singing? ) |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Temperate
I hope Israel gets invaded by a coalition of all the arab countries. |
I think America will nuke every Arab country that participated than.:( |
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| Omega_M |
| quote: | Originally posted by brokeral
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Ok..my only intension of bringing the british in was to highlight the fact that its easy to talk of war boosting economy without actually suffering the consequences than actually going through the process of being destroyed and having to rebuild. It was a completely different issue that they were forced into it by the Germans.
As for the military-industrial complex, if I am not mistaken, the Americans made a HUGE profit in Second World war and the war helped take America out of depression into big time surplus. And the cold war was part of the same dominance game when USSR and USA clashed for the top spot. I don't understand what you mean when you say it was your duty to stop the arms race after Russia fell. Hell, you were leading!! Makes no sense to me.
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we couldn't just keep making the weapons for nothing, we had to use em somewhere. Hence the countless wars and conflicts with lesser nations we've been in SINCE WWII.
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That is arrogance beyond comprehension to me. It is exactly what I'm talking about. Managing economy by waging war on others (just because you are a super power and you have the capability to do so ) for your own benefit is disgusting. |
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| isthatacow2 |
| quote: | Originally posted by brokeral
Sorry bud, your all over the place here.
The British went to war due to necessity. They didn't WANT to do it, for any sort of gain.
I would suggest you visit the "Why We Fight" website, watch a bunch of the clips, get your hands on the movie if you can...It'll give you a better understanding of what's going on.
The military-industrial complex took America AFTER WWII. When the US and Soviet Russia were the only remaining powers. The Cold-War, the arms race, etc...it was our duty to stop the arms race after Russia fell. We never did...we couldn't just keep making the weapons for nothing, we had to use em somewhere. Hence the countless wars and conflicts with lesser nations we've been in SINCE WWII.
No one said war is a good thing. I'm pretty sure we all agree it sucks, and nothing good comes of it. However, the American dollar has a louder voice than most of us. |
i agree |
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| brokeral |
| quote: | Originally posted by Temperate
I said ALL the arab countries. The reason the six day war was a failure was because only 4 arab countries were involved!
Thanks for trying to educate me. Even though I already knew about it. It was cute. |
Bud, I assure you, even with ALL the Arab countries and hell, lets throw in half of Africa for good measure, they wouldn't be able to take Israel. Israel has the BEST Air Force in the world by a LONG SHOT, much better than even than the USA's.
They are now quite effective at a land based war also. Their soldiers are VERY seasoned fighters. They're no joke, whereas the Arab countries, IMO are.
And it seems you can't have a political conversation without getting on the offensive (which is understandable) so I'll leave you alone with that. |
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| brokeral |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_M
As for the military-industrial complex, if I am not mistaken, the Americans made a HUGE profit in Second World war and the war helped take America out of depression into big time surplus. And the cold war was part of the same dominance game when USSR and USA clashed for the top spot. I don't understand what you mean when you say it was your duty to stop the arms race after Russia fell. Hell, you were leading!! Makes no sense to me. |
Again, you should watch the movie, it explains the WHOLE picture much better than I can here on a forum. It goes into detail about the founding ideas of this country (George Washington was very much against this country having standing armies. Once you have a standing army, occupying all over the world, it becomes very hard to maintain, and eventually leads to a downfall. See: Roman Empire). There's just so much to discuss about the whole military-industrial complex, even I'd have to watch the flick again to give you a cohesive, concise rundown of the problem at hand. Like I said, if your at all interested, watch it. It's not like a Farenheight 9/11 propoganda, slander BS movie.
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That is arrogance beyond comprehension to me. It is exactly what I'm talking about. Managing economy by waging war on others (just because you are a super power and you have the capability to do so ) for your own benefit is disgusting. |
Ok, again, just to clarify, I am not vouching for what we are doing, or vouching for war in general. I along with any sane person, is very much against it. It's just what IS happeneing, IMO.
On a side note, I think $400B/year out of the $450B should go into the space program instead. That is where the inevitable future is. We should progress as a species in physics, cosmology, etc...and try to learn as much as we can. Instead of blowing each other up. IF we ever get to such a state, even it it's thousands of years from now, I'm sure people will look back to the present time and laugh at us. |
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| brokeral |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
I think America will nuke every Arab country that participated than.:( |
Exactly, it's not like America will just sit around and spectate. |
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| Temperate |
| quote: | Originally posted by brokeral
Bud, I assure you, even with ALL the Arab countries and hell, lets throw in half of Africa for good measure, they wouldn't be able to take Israel. Israel has the BEST Air Force in the world by a LONG SHOT, much better than even than the USA's.
They are now quite effective at a land based war also. Their soldiers are VERY seasoned fighters. They're no joke, whereas the Arab countries, IMO are.
And it seems you can't have a political conversation without getting on the offensive (which is understandable) so I'll leave you alone with that. |
Get this. If America stopped supporting Israel, they wouldn't last a day in a war. |
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