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Review: Forever Eden @ sonic... (pg. 4)
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| sugarbaby25 |
As for gay ppl uncomfortable str8
i go str8 club ei. sonic i like hanginout
on them smoking area. i think as a gay person
u have to respect str8 u dont want to c
guys kissing on dance floor
or screaming like hyena. just dance normal and dont grind ur ass
to ur frineds or bf. i go with my boi we dont dance like whore.
just go dance feel da music have fun |
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| kaniz |
Odly enough, the only time I've ever gotten harrased for being gay at a club, was Danny T @ The Docks
Was near the back, I gave my BF a quick kiss - a quick peck on the lips, not a grope and grind makeout session.
Next thing I know, some guy is pushing me around telling me "Dont go starting that fag around here"
My thought was "Havnt you seen the throbbing mass of pink that is the main room?" |
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| Floorwhore |
| quote: | Originally posted by sugarbaby25
i go with my boi we dont dance like whore.
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UNACCEPTABLE. |
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| van haaster |
lol.
I didn't get past "hanginout on them smoking area". |
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| MarkT |
the thread has become an interseting one...all from a simple "Eden sucked" review :D
| quote: | Originally posted by van haaster
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But this raises another question: If people are abandoning the ghetto environment, then who is left to foster creative new developments within that old environment? According to what we’re observing, these people have apparently moved on. Perhaps there is a bit of circular argument here and that would be: Which came first? People abandoning the gay scene because there is nothing new or, people abandoning the gay scene because of a new-found freedom of broader acceptance? |
very good point...did they leave because the scene sucked or because they no longer 'needed' the scene? this goes for patrons as well as owners/promoters. probably a little bit of both, I'd guess, and with both happening at around the same time. For patrons, I'd guess that how easily identifiable as "gay" you are, or how confident/comfortable you are in standing up for yourself, and (especially) how welcoming/tolerant is the non-gay venue all play a part in when and how you've abandoned the gay scene. There are those of us who no one would knos is gay and we blend in seemlessly at a place like Guv...and there are those who want or need a bit more of a supportive place (Sonic does a pretty damn good job there)
I think it's great that the radical segregation between the gay and mainstream scenes has dramatically lessened...I just think that there is still room to have a "gay scene", itself being more inclusive as well, but still maintaining a more relaxed and inviting environment for gays who still don't feel comfortable in a place like Guv (kiss/grind your bf on the dancefloor, or just hold their hand, and see what happens, right?) or who do want to see an evolution of gay house in a predominently gay environment. I guess there's far less of a 'need' for a gay scene vs. even 5 years ago...but I don't think that means that there shouldn't be one or that it ought to be left to die?
So why doesn't a place like Fly adapt? It's a great venue...one of the best in the city, I'd argue...and it's frustrating to see ownership bring in the same lame DJs, who spin music, to a half empty club with *zero* vibe. So I go maybe once or twice a year when someone decent is brought in (mainly to remind me why I don't go there, lol). Even Deko-ze can't create a vibe there right now...it's sad. Normally I'd say "whatever, their business will eventually adapt or fail", as does any other. But ownership's apathy and/or inability to adapt has also resulted in the degeneration of the gay scene in general as Fly failing is analagous to Guv closing up shop as it has historically been the dominant gay venue. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. There's room for gays to join mainstream clubbing society (for lack of a better phrase) and there's room to maintain a gay scene (albeit for reasons other than 'necessity').
personally, I care far less than others...I've always prefered places like Guv and System (RIP) to places like Fly or 5ive (except for eye candy purposes)...but I'd usually hit Fly up at least once every few months becuase it IS different...and it used to be fun. Guv has remained the same, just with some integration. So the void of disappearing gay events hasn't really been filled, I think?
Interesting times, no doubt!
| quote: | Originally posted by sugarbaby25
As for gay ppl uncomfortable str8
i go str8 club ei. sonic i like hanginout
on them smoking area. i think as a gay person
u have to respect str8 u dont want to c
guys kissing on dance floor
or screaming like hyena. just dance normal and dont grind ur ass
to ur frineds or bf. i go with my boi we dont dance like whore.
just go dance feel da music have fun |
that's an awful philosophy, IMHO.
why should anyone, gay or straight, have to act a certain way? There are social conventions, then there are repressive attitudes. One of the very ideals passively (and actively) promoted by the EDM scene is one of acceptance. Dress how you want, dance how you want...and in the words of the man himself, Danny Tenaglia, BE YOURSELF! ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by kaniz
Odly enough, the only time I've ever gotten harrased for being gay at a club, was Danny T @ The Docks
Was near the back, I gave my BF a quick kiss - a quick peck on the lips, not a grope and grind makeout session.
Next thing I know, some guy is pushing me around telling me "Dont go starting that fag around here"
My thought was "Havnt you seen the throbbing mass of pink that is the main room?" |
that is defintely rather ironic, given what must be a 50/50 split between gay/str8 at any Tenaglia party. It's the club's responsibility to not tolerate any sort of threats or intimidation, regardless of the reason for it. Fortunately, I've never experienced that...fortunately for the other person as well as myself, perhaps ;) |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
that's an awful philosophy, IMHO.
why should anyone, gay or straight, have to act a certain way? There are social conventions, then there are repressive attitudes. One of the very ideals passively (and actively) promoted by the EDM scene is one of acceptance. Dress how you want, dance how you want...and in the words of the man himself, Danny Tenaglia, BE YOURSELF! ;) |
While I agree with this, there is a little something called decency I tend to see lacking among gay males, especially at a place like Sonic. I think that people should have to act decent at the very least. I mean hey, I've been known let my dancing get a little bit heated on the dancefloor, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed that I see crossed way too often at Sonic. |
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| kaniz |
Yeah, it made me scratch my head quite a bit. I tried pointing the person out to security and was told to "Just avoid him"
I heard through the grapevine though that he ended up getting punched in the face later in the night. Sort of wish I had confronted him a bit more myself, but I was all loved up thinking "what the ? I just want to dance" |
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| Sean Cassidy |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
"g" |
and the show was probably also brought to you by the letter K as well
and Tina (Crystal Meth) was most definitely there showing off her whorish bareback ways.......
Gairy Brown - gave me a flyer for the party and I am like why would I celebrate my birthday party here?? Labour of Love is where it is at - something for everyone - can't get MORE INCLUSIVE THAN THAT right??
I have been IN the "IN" crowd of the gay scene - talk about vacuous and boring......people come and go - recycled and used and abused - homosexual men can be quite vicious, jealous and intolerable.
I do not enjoy these clubs at all anymore (FLY FIVE etc.....)THE MUSIC SELECTION IS SOOOO ! - the only usefulness as it has already been mentioned is for booty pick-up - but then there are other places you can go for that and not have to endure the posturing and stand-offishness.....but those places my friends are best left to those who know - for these "opening of doors" and "visual rape" I will leave to others....
The gay community lacks a REAL sense of community now that maninstream society has more of less become tolerant and accepting - I still do believe that political correctness is actually strong in the perception of homosexuality and sometimes I would rather feel or know that someone dislikes my being FAG rather than the subverse FAKE tolerance masked as acceptance.
Like the Gen-X syndrome felt by peers in the 90's - the gay community has been directed by a bunch of selfish and hedonistic parents that have left their children wondering what it actually means to be gay and what their role is in society.
Alot of guilt and pressure to conform to unidealistic realities have forced a new surge of complacency and lack of aggressive action for environment change within the gay community.
The pockets of people that change their mindsets and try to remold their identities and who they identify with are doing so by reaching outside the village and making opportunities to unite with/build bridges into other communities and friend circles - both corporate/work wise and recreational/social. This is where I have found balance and have even brought some people some ENLIGHTENMENT in the process.
When you are marginalized/trivialized/ostricized/patronized by or for your sexuality - it does confuse what your usefulness purpose is in society - KUDOS to those who figure it OUT and save themselves from the trappings of self-destruction through even more deviant behaviour in the name of finding ones self.
oh the complexities of being gay.......
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
the thread has become an interseting one...all from a simple "Eden sucked" review :D
There are those of us who no one would knos is gay and we blend in seemlessly at a place like Guv... |
Keep dreaming my friend.. :P
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
While I agree with this, there is a little something called decency I tend to see lacking among gay males, especially at a place like Sonic. I think that people should have to act decent at the very least. I mean hey, I've been known let my dancing get a little bit heated on the dancefloor, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed that I see crossed way too often at Sonic. |
While I agree with you Graham and you know how I feel on the subject...I don't think it comes down to gay or str8. I have been to many clubs and there are gay and or str8 people doing things that make others around them feel uncomfortable. There is dancing with someone, kissing someone, even making out with someone...but then there is a line that people cross (both gay and str8) that I do agree is inappropriate in a public place.
On a side note I'm happy to see a whole new group of gay TA's that have suddenly shown up on this site...Mark you and I will have to make a point of meeting them at Sonic of Guv soon since it appears none of us are interested in going to Fly anymore. |
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| wjntoronto |
What a great thread!
Thanks to everyone!
I was thinking I was alone in my deep frustration of the Toronto gay (male) community.
Sorry for all my nonessential babbling yesterday. I went back and I edited my postings. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
While I agree with this, there is a little something called decency I tend to see lacking among gay males, especially at a place like Sonic. I think that people should have to act decent at the very least. I mean hey, I've been known let my dancing get a little bit heated on the dancefloor, but there's a line that shouldn't be crossed that I see crossed way too often at Sonic. |
fair enough...but that behaviour certainly not exclusive to gay guys...I've seen some pretty raunch behaviour from str8 couples too...but I see your point. Keep in mind, most people will gloss over seeing a str8 couple doing anything as it's more the norm...but you'll immediately notice two guys or two girls doing anything together as it's unexpected.
There's nothing wrong with a little make out session, a little grinding...but I'm with you in that a lot of people (particularly some gays who think they're back in the pit at Fly) need to chill out a bit and exhibit some common decency and courtesy when out in public. There's having fun and then there's exhibiting 'get a room' behaviour in public...tres tacky :D |
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| The Highroller |
| While I certainly agree that being indecent is not unique among gay men, I seem to see more occurances of indecency among gay men than straights in the afterhours scene. This could be because of a variety of different reasons. I'm just stating an observation. |
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