Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yep, these aliens, who have developed insanely advanced spacecraft (possibly faster than light drives!) capable of interstellar travel come to earth only to crash into it :haha:
Magnetite ;)
metalgearsolid
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yep, these aliens, who have developed insanely advanced spacecraft (possibly faster than light drives!) capable of interstellar travel come to earth only to crash into it :haha:
maybe the driver felled asleep behind the wheel or he was driving under the influence???
venomX
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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
But no concrete evidence. The problem with the 'irresponsibility' theory is that why did they suddenly become 'ireresponsible'. It just doesn't make sense. They survived thousands of years by being responsible, then to suddenly turn otherwise just doesn't add up.
The Pueblos were also abandoned. An equally mysterious event, and again, noone knows why. No theory outweighs another, and as I said before, I find it kinda eerie how they just vanished.
Indian wisemen are thought to have believed in aliens etc...
And I think the Anasazi and other tribes were far more intelligent than historians give them cedit for.
I know Anasazi means "Ancient ones", I just prefer the other theory :p
Some food for thought:
They didnt "suddenly" become irresponsible. Weather in that part of the US is a tad unpredictable. Imagine this, you have a settlement, a couple of years go by and theres plenty of rain, and the weather is favourable. Population booms, they forget that weather is not usually this good all the time. The weather goes back to being very dry for a couple of years, a drought. But now you have double the population you can sustain, so what to do? Overproduce of course, and overuse the land, in hope that better weather will come. But it doesnt, and you cant feed everyone anymore, and now you've ravaged your land in hopes of better weather that never came. Civil war breaks out, and eventually you're forced to leave the settlement because its not sustainable anymore.
Now you tell me, whats more plausible, that theory, or aliens coming and taking the Anazasi away? There have been plenty of studies done on this and soil analysis results are in line with this theory. I dont think they just suddenly became irresponsible, its just the weather changed on them and they didnt have the means to adjust to the weather changes. It doesnt make them bad people, they just had the odds against them.
Spirit5
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yep, these aliens, who have developed insanely advanced spacecraft (possibly faster than light drives!) capable of interstellar travel come to earth only to crash into it :haha:
Uh no it was most likely shot down (hence why the military knew where it was hours after it had happened) and no they don't come from that far away. I am of the theory that they aren't traveling far distances. Some may, but there are a lot that are here...on our planet. They don't need to travel anywhere per say, they have bases in the ocean. Lots of people have seen USOs, including the Navy. Some talk about it, others don't. There's even talk that Christopher Columbus had seen something strange coming out of the water. Sounds crazy, but there's been lots of witnesses to this, and this could explain why so many ships have been lost in both the Bermuda and the Pacific Triangle. They don't want our ships coming near their bases, and the technology they have down there and around their ships could mess up their compases and equipment.
venomX
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Originally posted by Spirit5
Uh no it was most likely shot down (hence why the military knew where it was hours after it had happened) and no they don't come from that far away. I am of the theory that they aren't traveling far distances. Some may, but there are a lot that are here...on our planet. They don't need to travel anywhere per say, they have bases in the ocean. Lots of people have seen USOs, including the Navy. Some talk about it, others don't. There's even talk that Christopher Columbus had seen something strange coming out of the water. Sounds crazy, but there's been lots of witnesses to this, and this could explain why so many ships have been lost in both the Bermuda and the Pacific Triangle. They don't want our ships coming near their bases, and the technology they have down there and around their ships could mess up their compases and equipment.
I wish i could believe all this but alien bases in our oceans, damn they wouldnt even be aliens then, and they would have to be the dumbest aliens ever to let us develop as we have so that one day we can kick their ass due to our violent nature.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Spirit5
Uh no it was most likely shot down (hence why the military knew where it was hours after it had happened)
uh-huh! they're so powerful that theyre controlling our governments or whatever, yet they havent developed anti-missile technology. come now! :haha:
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Originally posted by Spirit5
and no they don't come from that far away. I am of the theory that they aren't traveling far distances. Some may, but there are a lot that are here...on our planet.
um, so how did they get here again if they didnt travel a long way away? for the record, even mars is a ing long way away by 21st scientific standards.
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Originally posted by Spirit5
They don't need to travel anywhere per say, they have bases in the ocean. Lots of people have seen USOs, including the Navy. Some talk about it, others don't. There's even talk that Christopher Columbus had seen something strange coming out of the water. Sounds crazy, but there's been lots of witnesses to this, and this could explain why so many ships have been lost in both the Bermuda and the Pacific Triangle. They don't want our ships coming near their bases, and the technology they have down there and around their ships could mess up their compases and equipment.
ahhh yes. the conspiracy theorists' panacea. "superior technology" to fill absolutely any gap in logic. cant make something fit nicely? use a made-up tech to justify your position or explain naturally occuring phenomena. they have bases in the ocean because...? they have remained totally secret to our every investigation of the planet, yet are worried about a few vessels passing miles on top of them? they choose a place relatively close to inhabitants when 7/8s of the planet is covered in ocean?
in short:
they have superior technology allowing space travel and underwater bases, undetectable by humans.
this superior technology doesnt prevent them from being shot down or crashing.
this superior technology is somehow threatened by ships sailing on the ocean.
all the independant observatories around the world dont pick up their prescence in the sky, because they have cloaking technology that doesnt prevent them from being shot at.
these aliens have got nothing better to do than fly around the galaxy and hide in the bermuda triangle or nevada desert or conduct experiments on like 25% of the american population. because fat lazy sports fans are integral to the first intellectuals of the cosmos.
you still haven't been locked up for your own safety? :conf:
Spirit5
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Originally posted by venomX
I wish i could believe all this but alien bases in our oceans, damn they wouldnt even be aliens then, and they would have to be the dumbest aliens ever to let us develop as we have so that one day we can kick their ass due to our violent nature.
Well it's possible they aren't aliens really. I mean their origin might be someplace else, but it's possible (i'm speculating here) that they have been here for thousands, if not millions of years. Probably at one point they influenced us, and since left and this has allowed other advanced civilizations to flourish in our oceans, and they would have the technology, esp once we develop it, to not allow us to explore it. That would make people think that they aren't real, the whole purpose of a lot of their doing of things is to make us believe that 1. they are real and benevolent and 2. they aren't real, and aren't benevolent.
So the fact of the matter is, these aren't "invaders from mars" nor are they "saviors from the pleides" but advanced species who are possibly located all over the world, in various places where we cannot find them. This is another reason why it is hard to really prove a lot of this, is because they don't want us to know they aren't coming from light years away, but under our oceans, underground places. So you can eliminate "invaders" or "saviors" or any of thos sci fi or new agey ideas.
These are beings, whoever they are, that just don't care...the only care about themselves. Yes they might be concerned about our violent nature, but I doubt it really effects them. Most researchers on abductions have seen this...that the aliens aren't what we think, they aren't even aliens per say...they are much closer to us than we think. I just think their reality has been barried, or repressed into our consciousness and now we laugh at those who have encountered them...yet if we look back in time...we'll see very similar meetings with "demons", "angels" and "God(s)".
It's a security blanket, no one wants to believe that aliens are abducting people and have been for thousands of years, repressing most of our memories of it (hence why it seems like they aren't real) and making it seem as if they are on some mission to save us....when they are more concerned with themselves. It might not seem like they are at a global scale, but I'm sure there's a lot more people that just haven't come out and said they have been, due to ridicule. Now these aren't the greys, the big black eyed guys seen in many shows like the X Files or movies like Close Encounters, but a higher race doing this...who control the greys. It's gone into on David Jacob's book "The Threat".
In short, there are many things that make the whole alien and UFO stuff not sound very credible, but if you think about it...this could be for a reason...I doubt the "aliens" want us to know who they are. They want it to seem incredible. This is why some abductees sometimes make some really bizzare claims and or feel reality has been altered somehow..and it has. Hardly anyone wants to admit it...
Spirit5
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
uh-huh! they're so powerful that theyre controlling our governments or whatever, yet they havent developed anti-missile technology. come now! :haha:
um, so how did they get here again if they didnt travel a long way away? for the record, even mars is a ing long way away by 21st scientific standards.
ahhh yes. the conspiracy theorists' panacea. "superior technology" to fill absolutely any gap in logic. cant make something fit nicely? use a made-up tech to justify your position or explain naturally occuring phenomena. they have bases in the ocean because...? they have remained totally secret to our every investigation of the planet, yet are worried about a few vessels passing miles on top of them? they choose a place relatively close to inhabitants when 7/8s of the planet is covered in ocean?
in short:
they have superior technology allowing space travel and underwater bases, undetectable by humans.
this superior technology doesnt prevent them from being shot down or crashing.
this superior technology is somehow threatened by ships sailing on the ocean.
all the independant observatories around the world dont pick up their prescence in the sky, because they have cloaking technology that doesnt prevent them from being shot at.
these aliens have got nothing better to do than fly around the galaxy and hide in the bermuda triangle or nevada desert or conduct experiments on like 25% of the american population. because fat lazy sports fans are integral to the first intellectuals of the cosmos.
you still haven't been locked up for your own safety? :conf:
Uh read up on USOs and the Bermuda Triangle and how people have experienced magentic interferences around there, for many years. They shoot them down because they didn't want them trespassing on our skies. Why else was the military there hours after it happened in Keksberg? have u even read about it to know? It takes reading and research, not just scientific "there's no proof!" thing. A scientist was one who really got into and started to believe in these things...J. Allen Hynek. He did a scientific study of them for like 30 years. He was a respected astronomer. He started to see patterns and collected evidence like soil samples at various landing sites, and just interviewed a lot of people. It's something he felt had to be done scientifically, and it should be. I'm just speculating here, based around stuff i've read, and seen. I have no idea if it's true or not...it just makes sense to me. I'm not looking at it as an exact science, just piecing some things together from research i've done over the years.
Oh and naturally occuring phenomenon? that triangle thing that I talked about and showed a picture of in other posts...some natural phenomenon. And the reports seen by pilots over the years....bright lights and structured craft is surely naturally occuring. It could be just experimental technology, but as I noted in my other posts, experimental technology shouldn't be flown around all over the world or by commerical, passanger airplanes. No I'm not exactly a "conspiracy theorist" i'm just a believer in some of the UFO phenomenon, not everything, just the convicing stuff i've read and seen. It takes former military officers, police officers, some former politicians or people in the government, or pilots, or other people who've reported seeing the same stuff all over the world. Then it gets pretty convincing. It's not basing off of a few reports here and there and saying "it's got to be a hoax". Not that simple. That happened to J Allen Hynek in the 60s. He was at first skeptical, until he did more research and interviewed more people and saw more evidence, they he felt it warranted further study, and not to scoffed at as all hoaxes. Surely there's more hoaxes than true cases, I will admit that, and he did find that in his studies, but there were some that were pretty convincing. This was coming from a scientist remember.
Spirit5
In short, nothing I am saying is set in stone as the final truth. A lot of it is speculation. I doubt the aliens would really want their presence to be known. The UFO sightings are either 1. experimental aircraft by our military or 2. alien ships. They could be both. But pkcRAISTLIN, people have seen "structured" craft, not all natural phenomenon. Surely some could be natural phenomenon, but not all..naturally phenomenon doesn't move as some of these have moved...display the same characteristics. It's technology, my thing is...whose technology? Ours? or Theirs? Both? and why fly them around all over the world and by commerical airplanes??
pkcRAISTLIN
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Lister: Oh god, aliens? Your explanation for anything slightly peculiar is aliens, isn't it? You lose your keys, it's aliens. A picture falls off the wall, it's aliens. That time we used up a whole bog roll in a day, you thought that was aliens as well.
Rimmer: Well we didn't use it all, Lister. Who did?
Lister: Rimmer, aliens used our bog roll?
Rimmer: Lister, just because they're aliens doesn't mean they don't have to visit the little boy's room, although they probably do something weird, and alienesque, like it comes out of the top of their heads or something.
Lister: Well, I wouldn't want to sit behind one in the cinema!
shaolin_Z
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Originally posted by metalgearsolid
maybe the driver felled asleep behind the wheel or he was driving under the influence???
I think he was smoking space weed.
Spirit5
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Actually i'm not saying it's all aliens. I'm posing questions if it were experimental aircraft by our military. The thing with the bases is speculation based around the idea of them having to travel light years away and it is based around reports of USOs in the Pacific and Atlantic. They might have found a way to travel light years, if they are extremely advanced, but I dunno if they do. If they aren't here, then there's something more going on here, but I doubt it's the government doing all of this for some twisted reason, esp to people in other countries. You have to rule out natural phenomenon in some instances, esp the pilot encounters, Bentwaters, them seen at military airbases, the picture of the triangle craft I had put up. Those aren't "Earth lights" or "Ball lightning" or "Venus" or whatever you want to call them. They were clearly structured craft. They are either experimental aircraft driven by our military for some odd reason all over the world and by airplanes, or extra-terrestrial. Again, I don't completely rule out experimental aircraft, but some of that is inconsistent...doesn't make complete sense. I'm not a UFO nut, I don't read as much as I used to. I don't attend conferences or any of that stuff. I'm not much into conspiracy theories, but somethings just don't make sense and I like the unknown and to speculate.
