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Nations must seek permission of US to enter outer space (pg. 3)
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| El Kay Dee |
| i lived in one of those hostile nations...i was like so scared every day...i mean...no taxes, job security, friendly ties with all nations, so on and so forth...it was horrific |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by El Kay Dee
hmmm...saudi arabia for example is a non democratic country.....so its hostile right? |
The Saudi's are not our best friends. Don't confuse complicity with friendship.
| quote: | | why isnt the US overthrowing the government, so on and so forth? just a question |
This complex question requires a complex answer - but I'll try to be succinct:
1. Oil
The USA needs Saudi's oil reserves and the Al Saud family is happy to be complicit and sell tons of it (because they want to be wealthy). Time is running out for the Ad Saud's to make oil money (see #3) so they're keeping their mouth shut and ramming the bank full of as much money as they can. As the US gets more and more oil from Iraq, the Al Sauds will lose this advantage.
2. Defense positions within the mid-East
The Saudi's have co-operated with the US in allowing US military to use Saudi Arabia as a military base. Slowly the USA is using "more friendly" middle-Eastern states (including Iraq) and thus Saudi Arabia is also losing this advantage.
3. Soon to be democracy
The Al Saud family is facing a bit of a crisis politically in Saudi Arabia. It is a matter of time before Saudi Arabia is forced into some sort of democracy (constitutional monarchy perhaps, structure yet to be known, nor guessed on). The Saudi people themselves will soon have democracy on their own.
The USA hasn't (yet) gotten "into it" with the Al Sauds because of #1 and #2.
So in light of #3 - the USA doesn't need to do much to have freedom upon the horizon in Saudi Arabia.
Again, complex question, complex answer - there is much more to be said here - but frankly I'm too busy to write a book. Go read the Economist or something for more info. |
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| yankeeBaby |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
This is good news.
A hostile nation with access to space presents a significant risk for freedom and democracy loving peoples. |
We aren't hostile, Muthaf*uckasss!!!!!!!!:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:
j/k ;) :) :) :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: This is the strangest thing I have heard in a while....my coworkers and I are baffled....and we are american.....word. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
If it belongs to everyone, then not one single nation should be able to dictate everyone else's right to it. Just like the public roads belong to everyone, so I can't close off a road and dictate who is allowed to pass and who isn't. |
1. The USA is not dictating everyone else's rights. It's dictating HOSTILE NATIONS rights. Hostile nations have no rights.
2. Public roads do not belong to everyone. They belong to the state. Our state is democratic and lets you use them.
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Umm.. no. Democracy is not the only way of life |
Freedom and democracy is the best way of life for all peoples. People will always want to be free and freedom always wins. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
1. Oil |
oh there we go. the other countries dont have all that stuff..ahhh
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2. Defense positions within the mid-East
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honestly. the name of a country is based on geographical boundries. why should a country set up "defense" bases half the way across the world?? i mean whos gonna drill a hole thru and penetrate into the US via an underground tunnel?
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3. Soon to be democracy
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so wouldnt u think that Saddam for example would eventually pass away some time "soon" and then the next guy would be dumb or something and the people would fight for a democracy?? i mean..cmon..someone HAS to follow right?
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The USA hasn't (yet) gotten "into it" with the Al Sauds because of #1 and #2.
So in light of #3 - the USA doesn't need to do much to have freedom upon the horizon in Saudi Arabia. |
lets see how things are in say....10 years?
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Again, complex question, complex answer - there is much more to be said here - but frankly I'm too busy to write a book. Go read the Economist or something for more info. |
I actually do read the economist on occasion but the principle of my (and everyone elses)arguement still remains... who is the US to decide which country is hostile and which is not?
its all based on their own personal gain. period. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
....and we are american.....word. |
i honestly feel sorry for alot of the american population that despises the actions their government takes |
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| Cro_Addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
If it belongs to everyone, then not one single nation should be able to dictate everyone else's right to it. Just like the public roads belong to everyone, so I can't close off a road and dictate who is allowed to pass and who isn't.
Umm.. no. Democracy is not the only way of life, nor does a lack of democracy mean hostility to a democratic nation. Saying if your country is not democratic you must be hostile to democratic nations is as stupid as saying if your country is primarily Muslim you must be hostile to all Christian countries. Hostility starts at military attacks, not at having different ways of life.
Just like "fighting for democracy" was a thin veil over taking control of Iraq's oil, this "protecting democracy" is a thin veil at increasing USA's influence over the rest of the world to make it comply with the interests of USA. |
Once again...AGREE 10000%...
u know what ur talkin about! :toocool: |
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| thesauce23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by El Kay Dee
i honestly feel sorry for alot of the american population that despises the actions their government takes |
but what can u do. its all a big fcukin joke. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesauce23
but what can u do. its all a big fcukin joke. |
u know about 10 years ago they tried to patent "Basmati" rice as an american type of rice? (cant remember if it went through or not) |
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| thesauce23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by El Kay Dee
u know about 10 years ago they tried to patent "Basmati" rice as an american type of rice? (cant remember if it went through or not) |
lol. how the do u know like that? lolol. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by thesauce23
lol. how the do u know like that? lolol. |
cos that was news in the papers all over the middle east...and well Basmati is an Indian name as the rice is grown over there. lol
i guess Uncle Ben made a deal with Uncle Sam and said that Uncle Apu was hostile and needed rights to the rice so that no one else would be affected by the usage of the name |
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| thesauce23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by El Kay Dee
cos that was news in the papers all over the middle east...and well Basmati is an Indian name as the rice is grown over there. lol
i guess Uncle Ben made a deal with Uncle Sam and said that Uncle Apu was hostile and needed rights to the rice so that no one else would be affected by the usage of the name |
well it is damn good rice tho. so as anything really good, we gotta have it all to ourselves |
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