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Nations must seek permission of US to enter outer space (pg. 5)
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| nusty |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Rumourmongers have been whispering draft for a long time now ;) |
if anyone does it they loose the next election hands down. I don't think it will ever happen again unless its really needed. |
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| VERTiG0 |
| I don't have time to type out a long-winded reply here but I agree with RJ 137%. |
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| neuromancer |
| it is the same all over again, there was a time when the pope divided the non-christian world between spain and portugal. |
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| VERTiG0 |
Okay, for those of you against this:
What if China or North Korea's space programs ended up with strategic nuclear or other weapons systems in space, thereby threatening us with the possibility of orbital bombardment?
Would you be opposed to America's stance at that point in time? |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Okay, for those of you against this:
What if China or North Korea's space programs ended up with strategic nuclear or other weapons systems in space, thereby threatening us with the possibility of orbital bombardment?
Would you be opposed to America's stance at that point in time? |
North Korea can't put together a decent long range missile, let alone a space satellite.
China does have a space program, but it's like 50 yrs behind the US program so they're not a threat right now. Plus, they are too busy getting rich at US's expense. (Just look at the trade imbalance)
Any other nation who does have the capability to put up satellites into orbit is either allied, or neutral towards US. (meaning, they know if they do something stupid, US will kick their ass somehow)
Only nation that can challenge US is Russia, but Russia knows that it doesn't have the resources to compete US space program without bankrupting itself. IIRC, the former USSR main space launch site is now in Kazahstan anyways. |
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| rabbitjoker |
Short sighted thinking never prevents long term problems.
In the early 1930s people never thought Hitler would turn Germany into an aggressive "hostile" state.
Even in the mid/late 30s people didn't think Hitler would go into Poland (the west even appeased him, expecting him to stop hostile expansion after only a few annexed countries).
The bottom line is that unless a line is drawn in the sand early - possibilities for danger increase exponentially as time moves forward. |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
Bush reasserted America's claim to outter space today. Alpha Centauri reported as the new 51st state. lol..
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Maybe he wants to dig for more oil. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
Short sighted thinking never prevents long term problems.
In the early 1930s people never thought Hitler would turn Germany into an aggressive "hostile" state.
Even in the mid/late 30s people didn't think Hitler would go into Poland (the west even appeased him, expecting him to stop hostile expansion after only a few annexed countries).
The bottom line is that unless a line is drawn in the sand early - possibilities for danger increase exponentially as time moves forward. |
I do not believe US needed to make this sort of announcement.
In reality, US already controls space, satellite communications. (Just imagine the chaos and pissed off ppl if US shut off GPS)
US could have just quietly prep for space programs and no one would really pay attention.
So, this is just Bush rubbing the nose of other nations, and only serves to reinforce a lot of the world's opinion that America is just a really arrogant SOB. (And US could use a few goodwill nowadays)
It's not what you say, but also how you say it |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
It's not what you say, but also how you say it |
No country should "communicate nice" with rogue hostile states that threaten global peace and prosperity.
Democratic and free nations and peoples have nothing to worry about with this message - it isn't even targeted towards them.
"We should always communicate nicely" is like saying we shouldn't have hard/tough comments about local gun crime because we don't want to upset the law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens shouldn't care about "hard talk". |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
No country should "communicate nice" with rogue hostile states that threaten global peace and prosperity. |
International diplomacy doesn't work like that. Piss them off now and even if they turn their ways and be a 'good guy', they might just remember how they were forced to change 50 yrs ago.
There are ways to get your message across without blatantly offending others. (Although sometimes that is necessary, as it is with North Korea right now)
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Democratic and free nations and peoples have nothing to worry about with this message - it isn't even targeted towards them. |
Actually, if I was UK or Germany or Japan or other allies, I'd be worried how US is taking steps that might concern them, without consulting allies. (Though I'm not sure if US did tell its allies what it was going to do)
Would you want to be allies, or a puppet to US?
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"We should always communicate nicely" is like saying we shouldn't have hard/tough comments about local gun crime because we don't want to upset the law abiding citizens. |
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ard talk is necessary sometimes. Hard action, that actually get results is better. | quote: | | Law abiding citizens shouldn't care about "hard talk". |
Just like how law abiding citizens shouldn't be worried about govt violating own privacy in the name of searching for the bad guys? |
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| hardcore trancer |
ok so then who is going to stop the U.S. from going to space?,I think they are far more dangerous and hostile to this world then any others.
They are nothing but a in bully,I doubt the world would let them get away with this bull. Who the hell are they to decide which country is allowd to go to space or not?:whip: |
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| mikester69 |
You would make a great press secretary for the White House
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
No country should "communicate nice" with rogue hostile states that threaten global peace and prosperity.
Democratic and free nations and peoples have nothing to worry about with this message - it isn't even targeted towards them.
"We should always communicate nicely" is like saying we shouldn't have hard/tough comments about local gun crime because we don't want to upset the law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens shouldn't care about "hard talk". |
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