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Response to many negative views about Hip Hop and the promotion of musical tolerance (pg. 2)
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| moevalith |
I took a long piss on a box of hip hop records in the alley behind meplace.
As well as such, this thread kind of makes me sick, don't take this personally;
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| Mitsutranza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
Since when? In the case of house music is party music, Hip Hop is party music. Both are black music. Sure, a lot of the really intense foundations of the more obscure genre's of electronic music aren't located in dance music, but they weren't made for dancing anyways (with the exception of new interpretations released in the last 5-10 years) therefor it isn't EDM. Tell me where Frankie Knuckles was talking about exploring sounds... he was trying to make disco/italo disc music without an orchestra in his house. |
Party music is a general term that can be applied to any musical genre . Bluegrass is party music too.
Genres cross over each other all the time, I never said they didn't hehe, of course you're right about that.
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In the case of many other subgenres of House/techno/trance etc it would be seen that the focus has shifted entirely to drugs. There's something to support! Yay drugs! Lets advertise parties using cat tranquilizer! Let's all take speed so we can stay up longer than natural! Yay for synthetic living! The violence aspec of hip hop is ty no doubt, but it's not all of hip hop as drugs aren't all of EDM. |
You're talking about perception again. Drugs are part of music culture in general, rap has violence on top of it because a lot of it comes off as very aggresive and many of them rap about their ed up lives growing up in the ghetto and having to sell crack to stay alive. And who the hell said hip-hop was all about violence?? Are you reading what I'm posting?
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Sure the lyrics are a main factor in Hip Hop and during the last 70's/early 80's the DJ's role became much different with the introduction to MCing. Dub was had been in New York city fo about 10 yars, DJs started to learn tricks and Live MCing became a huge part of partying. Guys like Bambatta and Flash were throwing parties and people were dancing. These guys had imagination ! |
Yeah live MCing became a huge part of it but quickly died out, now you only have 'special' parties with MCs and live acts with mics...of all the parties I've been to in the past 2 years I haven't seen one with a microphone spitting lyrics...it's the DJ that spins electronic dance music, he lets his turntables do the "talking" for him...
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Please understand when you use the term EDM you are referring to DANCE music, music based around DANCE PARTIES. If you were to say, Electronic Music or Ambient Music, It would be different.
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You gotta understand that you're taking the term edm a.k.a. electronic dance music, way too literally and as i said if you are taking it literally you'd be right about calling hip-hop edm these days....
again, every single musical genre can be called dance music, the reason why people call EDM with the D in it is because that music serves its purpose best when you hear it in a club and when you dance to it. Personally I don't like dancing to rap, I enjoy listening to it at home and being amazed by the sick productions and poetry...
| quote: | ALL OF IT IS EDM AND IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN! It's made with electronic things! Samplers, synths, all of it is used in hip hop n many cases th e same way as it is I said above, NO the roots and core values are the same, one of the real differences is that that the House Scene was mainly propelled by the gay crowd in those days while Hip Hop wasn't. I just don't understand how you can so blindly defend a genre which you bash daily. Soooo many tracks, sooo many DJs... etc etc etc. You don't think the hip hop heads think the same thing about the big hip hop artists?
You need to look at the bigger picture and listen to what you are saying rather than just talking.
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Hehe I bash edm daily? Really? I might bash certain genres of edm like trance and certain Djs that have forgotten all about the music but never edm. You must skip all the threads and posts where I praise edm and just remember the ones I bash :p
You need to stop taking the term edm so literally and understand that the core difference between hip-hop and edm is the dominance of words in the latter as opposed to the dominance of sound in the former. EDM is not a genre, trance is a genre, house is a genre etc. EDM is a term used to connect them all together because that is the one thing they all have in common: electronic dance music.
| quote: | This I agree with, but to an extent. A lot of pop music is great, I'd be lying to myself if I denied that.
Open your ears man. There's a lot out there. |
You might like pop music and that's good for you. I don't have the time to listen to those good pop songs because I hardly have time to listen to my edm, my rap, my rock etc.
My ears have been open from the beginning of my time, you need to open your mind and realize there's only so much a person can have the time to listen to.
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| dj ugo |
| To my opinion, i don't like commercial hip hop, and the kind of "negative vibe" hip hop. It have a bad influence on people who listen to it. This my only problem whit this kind of music!! But i know there's still good hip hop music, i listen to Dj Shadow a few times in a month, and i really respect what he's doing for the scene and i like it!! If you what Dj Shadow's doing is Hip Hop, i will conclude that every kind of music have their both side: & Good |
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| Tag |
| quote: | Originally posted by all-nite-freak
hip hop is good
all the stuff they call hip hop from the last 4 years is pure .
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again you're speaking of the mainstream music scene. |
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| Tag |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mitsutranza
every single musical genre can be called dance music
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can you explain this?
if you trully believe that, then either your idea of 'music' is very specific or you're simply ignorant. |
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| all-nite-freak |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tag
again you're speaking of the mainstream music scene. |
amon tobin is good tag yes.,...and anything from ninja tune as well...but i don't consider that hip hop.
i refuse to group them with the ing ying yang twins and little john....such . |
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| Mitsutranza |
yeah jay i agree with tag on this one, there's a lot of good new rap just not the you find in HMV (although some good ones can be found there as well, you just gotta know who the good ones are)
| quote: | Originally posted by Tag
can you explain this?
if you trully believe that, then either your idea of 'music' is very specific or you're simply ignorant. |
Yeah what I meant was that any fan of a certain genre can like dancing to it and thus call it dance music...partying/dancing etc. are broad terms that can easily be applied to all genres.
K heh, maybe not ALL so don't take me so literally, but 95%...
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| all-nite-freak |
read my above post...in my vinyl collection i have alot of "hip hop";)
you don't have to tell me...the only artist i respect lately is kanye west and that is the message over the music.
I'll school you all with my hip hop knowledge...if i cant i'll put a cap in your ass
ps...not hip hop, but john legend is the man. |
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| Tag |
| quote: | Originally posted by all-nite-freak
amon tobin is good tag yes.,...and anything from ninja tune as well...but i don't consider that hip hop.
i refuse to group them with the ing ying yang twins and little john....such . |
i dont consider it hip hop either.:p |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mitsutranza
Yeah live MCing became a huge part of it but quickly died out,
You need to stop taking the term edm so literally and understand that the core difference between hip-hop and edm is the dominance of words in the latter as opposed to the dominance of sound in the former.
My ears have been open from the beginning of my time, you need to open your mind and realize there's only so much a person can have the time to listen to.
MT |
Not only have you missed my points completely, you've made more than a few ridiculous statments. Bravo. You don't even have a definition of what EDM is, yet you are damn sure hip hop isn't part of it, apart from the ridiculous statement about the dominance of words.. puhleaze. |
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| all-nite-freak |
| will you two just prison style and get it over with.:p |
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