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Do u ever think that TA takes it too far? (pg. 6)
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| The Vox |
| quote: | Originally posted by reketor
I KNOWS WHAT I LIKES AN YOU'RE DAMN SURE GONNA HEAR ABOUT IT! |
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| ZeJayMan |
| Criticism is good, how else are you going to learn? You can't just have a constant flood of people worshipping you, you would become so deluded. Everyone needs to be taken down a peg or two at one point or another. |
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| Swamper |
This is where you can talk about Trance, or any electronic music.
That's been the description of this section since Day 1 - it never discriminated against other forms of electronica... Splitting things into genres was always an idea but then who wants the job of dealing with where to put the crossover topics that fit into multiple areas? Then you'll get people bitching about what genre it really is :)
As for dealing with users the minute they become problematic - you can, but... it's harder than it sounds. If you're too heavy-handed in your approach you get accused of not letting people speak their minds... if you let them speak their minds (with some occasionally crossing the line) you get accused of having a forum full of negative people. It's pretty much a given that in a review thread for an event if a popular DJ gets 80% positive comments and 20% negative - they'll remember the negative - sad but true.
Those that say things were 'nicer' before, etc. do not understand the dynamics of what happens when a forum reaches a certain size. Once TA went beyond a small circle of regular posters then territorialism starts to take root and cliques are formed to defend certain points of view -- with some making it a point to say their piece in any relevant thread just to further push their agenda/views (often without merit). Some would say 'Make rules against that' - etc - but that's a slippery slope since then the troublemakers can say 'there wasn't a rule that said I couldn't do that' - forcing you to add a new rule... and then before you know it people have to read a page full of regulations before they post which is NOT what I ever want this place to become. |
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| jahnlay |
I agree with you Swamper, too many rules can really kill a site. I was, until recently, a regular contributing member of Home Of Music. I mistakenly put a link to my radio show (they don't allow advertising of any sort) and I was suspended for a month. I spoke to the mods about it and they refused to budge from their point of view, or even listen to other points of view.
So I've since quit their site for good. When it takes more energy to remember the rules of the site and the moderators censor you at the drop of a hat, it becomes a horrible place to spend time. And how many of us want to spend time in a horrible place? |
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| Spirit5 |
I don't believe there should be rules to limit free speech, however i've closed many threads before and i've seen other people do the same, when someone hijacks the thread and starts attacking either the thread starter or someone that posts something, and then they get into a senseless debate about it. For instance, a thread on ASOT, or anything Armin, Ferry, Tiesto, PvD or Above & Beyond. I've seen plenty of those threads turn into people getting into pissy matches or going in saying "so and so sucks!" when some people are just trying to have a conversation about something they like. If you don't like ASOT, or Armin or epic trance or whatever, you don't need to always say so in every thread about it, and in a negative way. It would be nice if some people just left those threads alone if they don't like it, and not butt in all the time.
Or someone has an opinion about something, and then someone skews that opinion the other way, totally misinterpret the person's opinion and are not willing to at least see the other person's point of view. It's kind of the "my way or the high way" type attitude I see on here. I just think there needs to be more intelligent discussion and debate, rather than flamming, or personal attacks, or senseless debate. Criticism is fine, but if more people tried understanding the other's point of view, respected each other's taste or differing points of view and constructively criticize something, then this forum would be a lot more enjoyable. This isn't something that the moderators can really control, but I think more people on here should be more conscientious.
A case in point. On threads where people debated what constitutes real trance, I had tried to reach a middle ground, saying both psy and old school and epic and progressive are real trance, but they do something slightly different for different people. People then tried labeling me as closed minded or only into epic trance, totally misrepresenting or not understanding what I said. Sometimes in threads, I go on and on about stuff or write really long stuff because I don't want people to misconstrude what I say or flame me. I just try to come to a middle ground...try to think of things a little differently. A few times I've had some issues, but it's not really about the topic at hand as it me taking it out on here about happening in real life. I've tried to greately reduce that lately. Hardly ever do that or get into big debates anymore. Try to avoid that. |
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| TrancePharoah |
| quote: | | If you don't like ASOT, or Armin or epic trance or whatever, you don't need to always say so in every thread about it, and in a negative way. It would be nice if some people just left those threads alone if they don't like it, and not butt in all the time. |
You will always get those sorts. There are those who simply bandwagon on those who do well, they are said they either know very little about trance or are simply 'sheep' and follow suuposedly the 'coolest trand'.
Then there are those who believe they are in the 'underground', none of the sets on the so called 'commercial or most popular shows' are good enough. They have two main reasons either they do not want to be miss-classified as those who are 'sheep' or they actually think themsleves as the 'movers and shakers' of the next great sound or trend, maybe they have foresight and can see the future stars.
This type of comment is normally phrased as "thats old news! get with the times; didn't you know that was played by dj x in 2005 in a live show i went to?" and im sure some other condescending comments can be made here, some people may have just not got the time to hear every radio show, or scan record labels or be on forums to find out. Its not that people correcting others is wrong, is the condescending attitude that goes with it.
These types pretty much rebuke those who are the most popular and would prefer to be cool to those who don't know what they are talking about it. This is not to say that are some good posters that open avenues of EDM that you would never listen to unless they were criticising the track/album/dj you were reading, but there are some that simply spurt negativity with no sort of justification or reasoning, probably because they are the critics who are adept at filling the categories i have described.
This is not to say that everyone is fitting of any category the majority of users are not; most people would admit if they were like some sets of the popular dj's, some tracks by them, regardless of their personal differences with them and their approach, but they also like the 'not so well known' or 'underground',
Most importantly if its a good track/dj set its a good track/dj set WHOEVER the artist/dj is. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I've been a member of several forums, and when I consider how a forum should be run, TA always comes to mind. Given the size and activity of the place, it's superbly run. Yes there are idiots of all kinds, but that's just society in general. People who complain about TA seem to want the forum to run exactly as they would like it, but when you have around 70,000 members you have to find something that basically fits everyone's ideal. And TA does that about as well as possible. |
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| Ryarni |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT how many times a night do you think guys like Armin or Tiesto et al. have their proverbial dicks sucked by fanboys who think they can do no wrong?
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Would intresting to know though if some people on here go over the top with their negative comments to try and compensate for all the fanboys comments, I think thats where alot of criticism lies tbh. |
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| Prototrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Light The Fuse
who said they were...?
its not about that...
its more about :- every artist has a vision:- what qualifications do you have to say "this is cheesy " or "this is boring " ?
seriously?
did u study classical music for 7 years?> |
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So I need a music degree to know what I like do I??
Welll...... when I've finished this reply I'm off to bin all my records and CD's as I'm not qualified to listen to them.
......... can I eat my dinner tonight???? I haven't got a food science qualification.............
Oh my life.............. I've haven't studied the dynamics of R.E.M sleep - how can I possibly go to sleep tonight am I simply not qualified to sleep.
If an artist puts their work into the public domain they should be fully prepared to accept criticism - I was and have done.
And on TA when threads get closed because a big name is getting some its appalling. Ok if it gets personal but not for some criticism - even harsh criticism as long as its about the music / DJ'ing. |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by Prototrance
If an artist puts their work into the public domain they should be fully prepared to accept criticism |
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As much as some people would like to believe otherwise, no one can please everyone. |
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| Prototrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
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As much as some people would like to believe otherwise, no one can please everyone. |
Absolutely agree |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryarni
Would intresting to know though if some people on here go over the top with their negative comments to try and compensate for all the fanboys comments, I think thats where alot of criticism lies tbh. |
It's all about balance ;) |
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