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Dutch seek ban on burqas in public (pg. 5)
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| AirPole |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
It is hardly a big stand in the way, since extremely few people uses it. The 99,999999% of the Muslims that don't use it though will feel pointed out by this legislation and it will further alienate those and make integration harder.
For the extremely few who uses the Burqa integration might be harder (since it's harder to get a job etc), but to the vast majority of Muslims it does not matter if a few of them uses it (ie a Muslim that doesn't use a Burqa is not harder to integrate because other Muslims use Burqas). On the other hand, such a ban might push those previously moderate ones towards extremism because they feel they are under threat by the Dutch state because of being Muslims!
Plus, the few who use the Burqa will not suddenly just go out and live a normal life because of the ban, they will probably just go further into isolation and extremism - in their private homes.
I thought multi cultural meant exactly what it says, a society with many cultures. Banning a selected few of them also means that you put an effective stop for the multi cultural society. So it's not the Muslims' practice of their own religion/culture that is the threat, but rather laws like this.
Of course you don't have to believe in a multicultural society.
Who said I don't think the governments of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey and others are crazy? Clearly they all are, but somehow i expect more of a country like the Netherlands, but maybe I'm wrong? |
Well, it seems that we won't reach a certain point of agreement on this issue, which is is ofcourse not bad at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
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| malek |
| If it makes you any happier as to how the banning of the burqa will help the Dutch people, next time a man who's wife wears a burqa wants to immigrate, they would not choose the Netherlands. |
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| CHRles |
Bingo!
And it's great that this law won't affect most moslims but rather the select few. It's those select few whose numbers are growing, and who the Dutch want to act out against before the problem gets worse.
Holland is sending a message for people not to mess with their way of life, the way most of the Dutch choose to live.
I love how people here defend extremist moslims who try to exploit western countries laws and democracies. On the one hand they "expect more higher standards and tolerance" from western countries, while at the same time they spit on these countries very foundations.
In 1924 you'd also see very few women in Egypt wearing these ridiculous clothes. What happened?
What's made it popular for the most part is a "return" to ultra-conservative values, as part of a backlash between western and moslim culture.
Holland doesn't want to see more of the Taliban element in it's country. And that's what this burqa in part represents.
I always find it funny when extremist moslims blame western countries for all the problems in the Middle East. Quite frankly the Middle East was in better condition when it was under the French and British empire!
Could it be that extremist moslims point the blame on the West these days b/c they're afraid to critize the dictators out in the ME, like Sadam, Assad, who would simply butcher them with no mercy? |
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| CranberryJuice |
blah erik why to bring back this subject or veil or burka again and again .....that's getting old
so i had to study carefully this subject or veil wearing in france and european countries .....european countries's governements have a large choice about adopting a law or not on this subject ....large power of choice given by european court of human right.....so yes problem is freedom of expression ....religion ...thought against Vs safety ....neutrality & egality of the state itself.....
problems is the veil wearing in public places like school .....
people especially u european folks keep in mind all the european countries have like number 1 rule the neutrality of the state which means neutrality in school or in public administration and sometimes in public places....which means states is restricting a right the one to wear a weil or a burka to "protect" the others people and their right to have neutral places
btw european court of rights in his decision laila sahin Vs Turkey said "neutrality was one of the elements of the democraty"
france was the first country to start with a law (a law we all know isnt perfect and has flaws) but same problems everywhere in europe about respect of a neutral state ....so others european states are starting to create and make law ......trying to just keep what they consider as essential
but then again netherlands's law if it's too restrictive might be not effective so ....let's just wait |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
It is hardly a big stand in the way, since extremely few people uses it. The 99,999999% of the Muslims that don't use it though will feel pointed out by this legislation and it will further alienate those and make integration harder. |
+ 1 That's very true. 99% of Muslims, especially in the West, do not wear Burrkahs.
On another note, I'm Muslim. And I think a Burrkah is really taking the concept of modesty to a ridiculous extreme and frankly think it's pretty damn stupid, not to mention that it looks even more ridiculous. Regardless, I'm not going to support giving the state the power to regulate how people practice or interpret their religion, as it really is none of it's business. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
It is hardly a big stand in the way, since extremely few people uses it. The 99,999999% of the Muslims that don't use it though will feel pointed out by this legislation and it will further alienate those and make integration harder. |
geeez
where to begin
most muslims I know have fled the and extremists in their own country to get a fresh new start in the west.
You think they really care that much because very few won't be able to wear a burqa? something that is already not well seen by most muslims?? |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
Bingo!
And it's great that this law won't affect most moslims but rather the select few. It's those select few whose numbers are growing, and who the Dutch want to act out against before the problem gets worse.
Holland is sending a message for people not to mess with their way of life, the way most of the Dutch choose to live.
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Like wearing a burqa s with someone else's way of life |
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| Lilith |
They're dutch, enough of a reason too assume theyre just doing it too be complete bastards.
(I'm joking btw :D my mother was half dutch) |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by malek
geeez
where to begin
most muslims I know have fled the and extremists in their own country to get a fresh new start in the west.
You think they really care that much because very few won't be able to wear a burqa? something that is already not well seen by most muslims?? |
Yeah, maybe they want a fresh start in the west, but then they realize that the west has regulation on what clothing you can wear? Most people flee from something else.
And as has been pointed out before, the Burqa is something stupid but nonetheless it's nothing the state should regulate since it hurts no one other than the person wearing it. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Maybe hers isn't so good, or you just left out a few words when repeating it. |
Can you tell me what 'skinny dippings' mean?
I asked her what is it that she finds attractive in a guy and she said 'skinny dippings'. |
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| malek |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
the Burqa is something stupid but nonetheless it's nothing the state should regulate since it hurts no one other than the person wearing it. |
sorry this is very naive and I can't really answer it more than i already did. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| Just to lighten up the mood a little, anyone noticed how "Burqa" sounds a bit like "Durkah Durkah" :p? |
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