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Should US be punished for all this mayhem it has caused in this world? (pg. 5)
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
i think the US should certainly be punished for all the humanitarian aid it provides to the rest of the world, as well as all the conflicts that have been stopped by their peace-keeping efforts, and even the conflicts that weren't stopped by their efforts. |
Which is very true, by and large the US people are very generous for all their other quirks but hey, we're all allowed a few of them and it makes the world interesting enough too laugh at once in awhile.
Whats more too the point though is the US foreign policies which come back to bite them a decade or so after theyre implemented and the repurcusions keep rolling through the years and punishing everyone in the US with high taxes, huge national debt, poor social services, terrible education, destructive trade practices and the ensuing unemployment, except the politicians.
Somehow theres a real knack for having the wrong people in the wrong job with the US democratic process, the upper tiers of the public service and justice system.
You simply shouldnt vote for some people and have them in power.
They just arent up to form in any sense of the word, retired actors, dopey rich kiddies and daddies mates just isnt a form of politics because its based simply on charisma, budget for campaigns and shady deals in an obviously well entrenched old-boys club. Once theyre in, they do what they want and after their terms up can run around the world impervious too their own destructive, short term actions that end up being fought by someone else's kids and paid off by successive generations with crippling national debt.
The nicest thing though as a US politician is that theres always someone out there, overseas and generally out of sight who will serve as the 'National Enemy of the State' for their term in office. Once you've got the public attention shifted at some dodgy third world dump thats the national enemy, you can get away with anything.
Today's Enemy is-
*spin the wheel*
The entire population of afganistan who obligingly harboured someone that killed a couple of thousand americans on their own soil in a very bright and nasty way on TV.
"Cool, we can do away with a few more civil rights so we can cement ourselves in for another term of office."
Once that wears off its time for a national crisis.
Today's Enemy is-
*Insert nature= hurricane katrina or war in Iraq*
After a good 4 years of hating, crisis and so on, the population is so numb they couldnt find their own ass with the light off because theyre hiding in fear of sticking their heads up. But thats ok, the government is looking out for you by introducing new laws because...
Today's Enemy is-
The Muslim community in the US plotting with 'evil faceless foreigners' in some cave hooked up too dialysis (wonder how much he'd buy a kidney for? :D *giggle*) in some country most couldnt poke at on a map.
We'll call it the Patriot Act, everyone loves an american when youre an american, too do otherwise would be unamerican and then thats enough to make them a social pariah.
Well damn, who would have thought anyone would buy that one coming along after everyone had their eyes opened from Macarthism and the terrible communists of last century. Which ultimately proved too be one of the largest, dumbest and completely useless terror campaigns in history. Mostly because the KGB where set up years before and well and truly hidden! :D
Crap! They actually bought that one?
Yep, apparently so.
Well lets go for a third term on this one because treason is a very popular evil which has everyone else looking at each other rather than us. We got any civil rights left we can jump on left?
Who cares.
Not the average voter!
Well dang, youre kind of right there...
Course the really funny thing about the whole democratic process is that the last dodgy liar got thrown out because he was busted boinking some ugly, chubby intern.
(No one ever told Mr Kennedy that it was wrong, but he had better taste in pretty, popular ladies so people where willing too ignore it)
It wasnt technically illegal too boink ugly interns, but it was technically illegal too lie about it too the reps in government.
Bush got off easy with his lies, its called "Plausible Deniability", ok so they didnt find anything more bio-chem in Iraq than some dirty underpants, camel poo and broken sandals but its a good enough reason to wage a war when the public thinks the world is out too get them.
One before that who got thrown out before him was busted running wire-taps on political opponents.
Problem with Nixon was that he forgot too re-write the laws on that! At least Bush got good advice before he started that and once its law, apparently its about the closest thing too gods own law so just ignore it for now because theyre really chasing 'terrorists amongst us'
Forgive me a moment here but I dont use this smiley enough-
:rolleyes:
(In fact, its a little overused here :D)
Come on ladies and gents, we're all grown up, you think all of those people he's able to wiretap through the NSA are just the evil terrorists in the backyard and some delinquent kids on a forum talking about pipe bombs to blow up their neighbours letterboxes?
If you believe that.
You'll believe anything!!
And at the end of the term, well Iraq's a puddle of poo and the world actually does genuinely hate america because of it, Bush can say.
"Well I told you so!"
(But probably in shorter, less cleverer(sic) words)
And just wander off into history as being possibly the dumbest person ever to hold power, in any country- ever.
So, dont punish the US people for their mistakes, the votes where probably rigged in Florida, after all, who'd vote for someone that would attain the rank of 'Village Idiot' in the private sector any other day of the week ending in a Y. Lucky for that old boys and relatives network hey!
Anyway, enough from me, fingers are tired and I did warn you I'm an extremely sarcastic bitch but at least theres not a local law against being an extremist sarcastic bitch here yet. :D
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Course the really funny thing about the whole democratic process is that the last dodgy liar got thrown out because he was busted boinking some ugly, chubby intern.
(No one ever told Mr Kennedy that it was wrong, but he had better taste in pretty, popular ladies so people where willing too ignore it)
It wasnt technically illegal too boink ugly interns, but it was technically illegal too lie about it too the reps in government.
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Bill did it with the wrong woman. Of course he lied that he did it with that fugly intern, which man wouldn't? His dignity demanded it of him. If Bill scored with Angelina Jolie instead there woudnt be a need to lie about it, in fact he would have probably had a press conference just so he could confirm it (people of america, i have scored with angelina! I am the PRE-SO-DENT! who da man!). Im sure his popularity would have gone trough the roof if he did that but instead people were thinking "eeew wtf is wrong with you? dont you have any self respect?" |
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| Usuario |
Bah, I really do not think USA should be punished for any of its actions and decisions. I believe USA has thaught many other nations what sort of nation's model they should not follow. USA will lead itself to its own condemnation by trying to play the parents role in a brotherhood relationship. There is really no need for competing in an extreme capitalistic environment like USA has done for the last 200 years unless you believe that the real pursuit of happiness is based on acquiring as many material objects as you can and working more than 40 hours a week so that your government can literally exploit you for creating more military equipment xD. This race is actually pointless and soaking in haste,it has turned into the wrong turn and theres no real winner in the long term. Justifying the warlike actions with excuses like "Lets kill terrorists cuz they are evil and bombed our towers(lets go save our last oil reserves)" or "They have weapons of mass destruction (lets disarm the world so we can em all when it is necessary)" this is all pretty ing lame. The American soldiers are the only rational beings who collectively fight to death for something that many ignorants would call Freedom? If you fall for all this kind of bull I am pretty sure you simply belong to the rest of the herd who has grown under a ing blindfold that I would call unworthy patriotism and gay nationalism.
The real individual for here to blame is the rest of the world who really never did anything to stop this nation from creating technology that really all has done is polluting one third of the world, preventing other nations from developing by stealing their territories, creating oligarchies around the world by implanting an economic/social system that all it has done is create more poverty in the present and in the long run instead of trying to be equal and value everyone for his or her job regardless if it is cleaning toilets or managing a database, both are really equally important even though your inimaginable huge ego will not let you appreciate this. Many people should place themselves in the shoes of other less fortunate people in disgrace to understand what the real world outside the US is going through (pleeeeassee do yourselves a favor and stop watching crap like CNN and FOX news, thats nothing more than lies, propaganda, and yellow journalism). Everything USA has done is isolating itself from the rest of the world, and it is gonna get worse as the decades pass by. You call the current events peace?
Remember the fall of Constantinople, militaristic empires do not last forever. Do not blame the US for everything that has gone wrong, Good cannot exist without evil.
Call me a communist, a gypsy, an anarchist, a terrorist, a bouffon, or whatever you want, after all, I am just a human being, or so I pretend ha!.
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Usuario
Call me a communist, a gypsie, an anarchist, a terrorist, a bouffon, or whatever you want, after all, I am just a human being, or so I pretend ha!. |
well, those labels would be used before "coherent" ever was. |
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| Marc Summers |
| Why hasn't purple posted in this again? |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
Sorry, but the IRAQI people are responsible for the mess in their part of the world.
Sadam was put on trial b/c he was the ruthless dictator, not Bush.
Iraq is split up between Shiites and Sunnis and they're the ones causing the havoc, not America.
America probably shouldn't have invaded Iraq, but rather it should have went after Iran. So if you want to put Bush on trial for stupidity go right ahead.
War crimes? No. The people who should be put on trial are Iran's leaders and clerics, Nasrallah and the Hizbollah, Hamas, Asad from Syria, Yemen's leaders, Bin Laden, Kadafi of Libya, and so forth. Those are the people who should be hanged.
Bush just needs to be sent back to Junior High, and you need to be sent back to Kindergarden. |
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| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
lol here you again with the Saddam bull.
yaaaaaaaaaaa they are free now,free to kill eachother every single day :rolleyes:
and you have to be a complete retard to think this is all part of the road to democracy.
GREAT IDEA!!! so lets go and invade a country and turn it into a in zoo and then tell the people to fix it. |
Absolutely spot-on. |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
Why hasn't purple posted in this again? |
I didnt wanted to break the flow of long convos people are having.. sort of didnt wanted to interrupt..:)
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
We have grossly mishandled Iraq, but we are not yet close to inflicting as much damage as 30 years of Baath rule.
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I thought everyone, including western media acknowledged a few months back, that Iraq was much better under Saddam's rule than it is at present.
What damage Saddam wasent able to do in 30 years have been done in 3 years.
| quote: | Originally posted by chris harrington
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i totaly agree. If he was president/prime minister of any other country (except maybe the UK) This already would have happened |
Leave any outside country, take the example of Iraq and Saddam, he is being sentenced to death for killing innocent people during his term.. hasnt Bush done the same during his term?
Ofcourse Miloshevic, Saddam, Hitler werent directly responsible.. they didnt individually go out in feilds and killed, raped women.. it was their actions and decisions that led to it.. hasnt the actions of Bush based on lies and cheat led to rapes, murders of innocent people in Iraq?.. isnt Iraq a war crime? |
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| Purple |
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Yesterday marked the day that we had been in Iraq longer than we were in all of World War II.
That's right. We were able to defeat all of Nazi Germany, Mussolini, and the entire Japanese empire in LESS time than it's taken the world's only superpower to secure the road from the airport to downtown Baghdad.
And we haven't even done THAT. After 1,347 days, in the same time it took us to took us to sweep across North Africa, storm the beaches of Italy, conquer the South Pacific, and liberate all of Western Europe, we cannot, after over 3 and 1/2 years, even take over a single highway and protect ourselves from a homemade device of two tin cans placed in a pothole. No wonder the cab fare from the airport into Baghdad is now running around $35,000 for the 25-minute ride. And that doesn't even include a friggin' helmet.
Where were all the suicide bombers when Saddam was oppressing them? Where were the insurgents planting bombs along the roadside as the evildoer Saddam's convoy passed them by? I guess ol' Saddam was a cruel despot -- but not cruel enough for thousands to risk their necks. "Oh no, Mike, they couldn't do that! Saddam would have had them killed!" Really?
This is a joke and it's been a joke since the beginning. Yes, the joke's been on us, but with 655,000 Iraqis now dead as a result of our invasion (source: Johns Hopkins University), I guess the cruel joke is on them. At least they've been liberated, permanently.
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From this thread:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=384644
And this is what is the 'Demands' he makes:
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This is what we demand:
1. Bring the troops home now. Not six months from now. NOW. Quit looking for a way to win. We can't win. We've lost. Sometimes you lose. This is one of those times. Be brave and admit it.
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Yeah be brave, admit it, but dont just admit it, be real brave and punish those responsible, this is a fake war, a lie to this world for which people of Iraq paid its price.. now punish those who lied and started this one-sided act of aggression ..
You can give them all the money and help rebuild and stuff, but nothing will bring back their dead son, dead parents, dead sister/brother..... only way to console and compensate for that is by .... blood for blood.... sentence Bush, Rumseld and likes to death or atleast life imprisonment.
| quote: | | 2. Apologize to our soldiers and make amends. |
First apologise to people of Iraq, than do whatever you want to do to your so called 'truamatised' soilders.. only Iraqies know how much more they have suffered than your little soilders. |
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| Shakka |
| Should the U.S. collect a reward for all of the good it has also done in the last 200 years? |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Should the U.S. collect a reward for all of the good it has also done in the last 200 years? |
I thought it already had done that.
Should Russia, UK, France, Japan collect a reward for all of the good it has also done in the last 200 years? US has done nothing more special to receive special treatment. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Purple
Ofcourse Miloshevic, Saddam, Hitler werent directly responsible.. they didnt individually go out in feilds and killed, raped women.. it was their actions and decisions that led to it.. hasnt the actions of Bush based on lies and cheat led to rapes, murders of innocent people in Iraq?.. isnt Iraq a war crime? |
sorry, who is doing the majority of the killings in iraq at the moment? |
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| Purple |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
sorry, who is doing the majority of the killings in iraq at the moment? |
What led to it?
You see I enter a house, burn it down, and kill the sole bread-earner of the family and leave nothing, no place to stay, no job, nothing.. now what the son is left with...to feed himself or his mom? Wont he take arms and take revenge, or join some so called 'terrorist' organisation which atleast secures him and his mom a daily bread and butter..
And than I will say.. look I did nothing, that son is killing others not me..I should just leave.. |
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