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Illegal music downloading (pg. 10)
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| Shade |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
Shade, you're forgetting one simple fact: I wouldn't listen the music if I couldn't download it because its TOO EXPENSIVE. Music producers price themselves out of business... and thats a simple fact.
What I'm saying is that the choice is between ZERO dollars, or tour revenue... gee, as an artist, which am I going to choose?
You aren't looking at the fact that this is FREE MARKETING FOR ARTISTS.
Maybe one of the 20 people I mention an artist to will check it out, and purchase it.
However, once again, none of you seem to be understanding that the loss in record sales is ONLY devastating to LABELS, not the artists, because artists never made money off of record sales to begin with. How is that so hard to come to grips with? I KNOW this, because I live/lived it. This is coming from someone who has sold over a hundred thousand albums in Canada - most of which revenue simply went back to the labels. We only ever really made money off of touring, but more importantly, radio/tv royalties.
You just flat out don't understand the industry, nor do you understand the new opportunities that are arrising from downloading. You're still looking at it from the wrong perspective. Its not about right and wrong, its about resistance or acceptance of change, and how you make change work for you. Welcome to the economic world - this is EVERY industry, not just music. |
You're wrong simply because you're applying mainstream label situations to all labels. Artists in the electronic industry used to make quite the decent amount of money from tracks, especially big ones (and this is from selling the music ALONE). Labels wouldn't go out of their way to rip artists off. I think you need to do some research with regards to electronic music. I don't care if you've had a triple platinum release in the mainstream industry - it doesn't apply the same way. My information is based on experience and contact with many past and present label owners as well as artists. Your knowledge of this industry, regardless of how broad it is for you in the mainstream industry, is seemingly miniscule, so please learn something before telling be it only affects the label (which, by the way, also needs income - or at least it used to). |
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| locodawg |
The music industry is soo bad that 2pac is still releasing albums that are getting so that they are starting to make him look bad ...
2pac may not be the music we all listen too, but come on this guy is dead and they keep releasing albums by him of music that is total and is no where near the quality of work this man put out when he was alive. This is what everyone is getting at, people are not going to go the music store to buy a 2pac, tiesto, MoS album (or anything for that matter) for a trax or two it is simply not worth it. Stop thinking about who gains and who looses. Think economics its simple time value and money. Someone who works for 10 bucks an hour has to work 5 hours to get an MoS import CD. To someone who gets 50 bucks an hour its only one hours work, and still those people might not think its even worth that much.
I am not defending the fact that its ok to download, all I am saying is artist and labels need to add value to these CDs. Just throwing 12 traxs where 11 of them are crap just doesn't cut it anymore. If they dont put 100% of effort into their album no one is going to want it. When you go to work, if you do a half ass job chances are your company may not want you ... hence not pay you ... hence they not support you.
Its the same thing, if artist refuse to put in a 100% no one will support them ... |
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| Elendil |
Shade, you must work for a label. Thats the ONLY way I can possibly imagine that you still aren't seeing the bigger picture.
My knowledge is broad-based, and applies to independent artists even MORE, as I was represented by independent labels. If you're talking about electronic artists big enough to make money off of record sales, then we're talking about mainstream electronic music, which applies to my information on restructuring profit seeking.
Quit being a holdfast and just realize that its not about right or wrong - its about or get off the pot. |
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| milos |
| i download about 90 gigs of music a day |
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| Shade |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
Shade, you must work for a label. Thats the ONLY way I can possibly imagine that you still aren't seeing the bigger picture.
My knowledge is broad-based, and applies to independent artists even MORE, as I was represented by independent labels. If you're talking about electronic artists big enough to make money off of record sales, then we're talking about mainstream electronic music, which applies to my information on restructuring profit seeking.
Quit being a holdfast and just realize that its not about right or wrong - its about or get off the pot. |
I don't, I'm an artist. And I'm not referring to thousands upon thousands of dollars. But it is still a number. In the 'old days' artists would really make those thousands without a problem, that's how many afforded their studios which ended up costing up to $500,000. Those amounts didn't just "show up" and weren't caused by whoring or clothing/other promotional opportunities. It was LARGELY from the artists income from the label. Labels didn't go out of their way to rip artists off because it would ruin their name, these days labels don't care because the numbers have dropped significantly. If you speak ot artists like MIKE or Steve Helstrip you'll find that they've gone their own ways because the income has literally dropped by thousands. It has seriously destroyed the industry and these digital downloads which so many are complaining about are seen as a saviour by labels.
Anyways it's pretty clear that this will get nowhere on either part, so clearly there's no sense in continuing. I understand your points, I simply don't agree with a large amount of them. Let it be though, everyone's entitled to their own view. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shade
I don't, I'm an artist. And I'm not referring to thousands upon thousands of dollars. But it is still a number. In the 'old days' artists would really make those thousands without a problem, that's how many afforded their studios which ended up costing up to $500,000. Those amounts didn't just "show up" and weren't caused by whoring or clothing/other promotional opportunities. It was LARGELY from the artists income from the label. Labels didn't go out of their way to rip artists off because it would ruin their name, these days labels don't care because the numbers have dropped significantly. If you speak ot artists like MIKE or Steve Helstrip you'll find that they've gone their own ways because the income has literally dropped by thousands. It has seriously destroyed the industry and these digital downloads which so many are complaining about are seen as a saviour by labels.
Anyways it's pretty clear that this will get nowhere on either part, so clearly there's no sense in continuing. I understand your points, I simply don't agree with a large amount of them. Let it be though, everyone's entitled to their own view. |
People simply dont care and wont unless it affects them. They dont understand what its like to have people take value away from their hard work i guess. |
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
why couldn't you just change the 3 to a 4?
Back on topic; I used to download lots of albums back in the day. I still do, but if I like the album then I go out and buy it. I've also stopped downloading tracks completely, and now buy them off Beatport.
The only thing I download is sets, which is okay as far as I know. |
I will have to agree here. Since Beatport came around I also stopped DL'ing tracks (well about 90% are bought from BP) cause I hate incomplete, crappy quality, ripped from mixes downloads. Vinyl rips or even better CD rips at 320 are hard to find anyways.
With albums my rule is this:
1. If I like 50% or more of the labum I will buy it if I find it in Itunes I buy the tracks I Really want.
2. No itunes? Crud. Off to Beatport. Not there?
3. release records (I only do this if it is an absolute must)
4. Ebay (there is no way I am paying $17 bucks for ONE song.
5. No choice but to DL. But if the song or album is available later on digitally for sale then I pay for it anyway to kill the guilt.
The one type of artists I do not mind seeing losing money is Hip hop since that is half sampled and effortless anyway.
BTW is there any other place other than Beatport that sells EDM like they do? |
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by milos
i download about 90 gigs of music a day |
Wow!:eyes:
That's in Dirty! Lol. |
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| Jem_hadar |
| quote: | Originally posted by E*Master
That's in Dirty! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by E*Master
I will have to agree here. Since Beatport came around I also stopped DL'ing tracks (well about 90% are bought from BP) cause I hate incomplete, crappy quality, ripped from mixes downloads. Vinyl rips or even better CD rips at 320 are hard to find anyways.
With albums my rule is this:
1. If I like 50% or more of the labum I will buy it if I find it in Itunes I buy the tracks I Really want.
2. No itunes? Crud. Off to Beatport. Not there?
3. release records (I only do this if it is an absolute must)
4. Ebay (there is no way I am paying $17 bucks for ONE song.
5. No choice but to DL. But if the song or album is available later on digitally for sale then I pay for it anyway to kill the guilt.
The one type of artists I do not mind seeing losing money is Hip hop since that is half sampled and effortless anyway.
BTW is there any other place other than Beatport that sells EDM like they do? |
djdownload.com and juno.co.uk is pretty good |
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| E*Master |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
djdownload.com and juno.co.uk is pretty good |
Thanks a lot. Now I have more alternatives :)
90 gigs.. That is Dirty. When the hell would you play that? Even if they were WAV files no way I could see that played unless it is at a 24 hour Gym (Mine plays 80s most of the time. Keeps tha Gangstas out :P) |
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| GrooveBuff |
I haven't downloaded music illegally since Napster days way back when. What's a good site to LEGALLY download songs from?
I've been dormant with downloading music, but this volcano wants to errupt with legal downloading.
Please advise.
Thanks.
GB |
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