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Illegal music downloading (pg. 9)
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| Shade |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
No, you read that because thats what you wanted to think I was saying. I didn't justify my actions, I said the benefits of my actions, as opposed to the potential of me NOT downloading. |
That 'benefit' could come regardless of whether or not you were downloading illegally or legally (seeing as to how he's gotten his name out). You didn't go into whatever program or site you use and simply look up "Sander van Doorn" because the name magically popped into your head. Someone or something influenced you to look into his music, that means you could have easily gone and sampled his track off AJ or BP to disocver if it interested you or bought his track yielding further benefits for him as an artist. You're acting as if nobody gets it, but I'm pretty sure what you're saying is widely understood. This doesn't change the fact that there are monumental losses due to illegal downloads.
Again I'm going to repeat that not only the artists are losing out but the labels are also losing out in many cases (within this genre). Many of the biggest labels have shut down due to this factor. Maybe artists and labels could and should find other ways of marketting - but you're pretty much saying "forget the price of tracks, rely on other things". So this means you think that artists should go ahead and make nothing off tracks (because using your theory, nobody should care to pay for music). In fact, taking into account what you've said, music should all be distributed for free (as hooks of course) so the talent in itself makes nothing - it's just the marketting in which case the whole music industry itself is worthless.
Good work! Now you're really looking at high quality producers coming out everywhere! :rolleyes:
Edit: I forgot to add, where exactly would you want this money to come from for further marketting when there isn't any income from the record sales in the first place? |
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| Elendil |
Shade, you're forgetting one simple fact: I wouldn't listen the music if I couldn't download it because its TOO EXPENSIVE. Music producers price themselves out of business... and thats a simple fact.
What I'm saying is that the choice is between ZERO dollars, or tour revenue... gee, as an artist, which am I going to choose?
You aren't looking at the fact that this is FREE MARKETING FOR ARTISTS.
Maybe one of the 20 people I mention an artist to will check it out, and purchase it.
However, once again, none of you seem to be understanding that the loss in record sales is ONLY devastating to LABELS, not the artists, because artists never made money off of record sales to begin with. How is that so hard to come to grips with? I KNOW this, because I live/lived it. This is coming from someone who has sold over a hundred thousand albums in Canada - most of which revenue simply went back to the labels. We only ever really made money off of touring, but more importantly, radio/tv royalties.
You just flat out don't understand the industry, nor do you understand the new opportunities that are arrising from downloading. You're still looking at it from the wrong perspective. Its not about right and wrong, its about resistance or acceptance of change, and how you make change work for you. Welcome to the economic world - this is EVERY industry, not just music. |
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| locodawg |
So if one thinks download is wrong ... is borrowing a friends cd and taking a copy wrong? or simply ripping a song off the radio/live set wrong?
just wondering.... |
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| Bassi77 |
how do artists make money from their radio shows on the internet?
Take ASOT for example, how does Armin make any money off of it or does his label or the radio station make money? |
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| patpicos |
| quote: | Originally posted by locodawg
Why is this such a hot heated topic? everyone takes this topic way to serious ... i say it ... do what you want ...
whoever your trying to explaining it to is not going to listen they have their view and you have yours ... move on |
AMEN!! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bassi77
how do artists make money from their radio shows on the internet?
Take ASOT for example, how does Armin make any money off of it or does his label or the radio station make money? |
advertising, sponsorships and promotions of his newest tracks with the hope that people will buy them.
Also ASOT is on the air so stations pay a syndication licencing fee to the show. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by locodawg
So if one thinks download is wrong ... is borrowing a friends cd and taking a copy wrong? or simply ripping a song off the radio/live set wrong?
just wondering.... |
its wrong but that is done on a much more local basis. Somebody has to buy the song first. Online you can get 1000s of copies from just one legit copy. In the past one legit copied may be dubbed down half a dozen times at the most.
And from off the radio, real music fans wont settle for danny d giving you the traffic report over your favourite song. So there is no comparison there. |
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| patpicos |
| quote: | Originally posted by raveed
Now if armin or tiesto stop coming to town suddenly and VH1 shows a video of them riding a bicycle wearing a raggy t shirt that says downloading killed my career , then maybe everyone will start having second thoughts. |
if armin or tiesto start cycling with such shirts....ill be pissin my pants so hard!!
i mean cmon, tiesto doesnt give a about cd sales...hes friggin charging 100k a venue.... |
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| locodawg |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
And from off the radio, real music fans wont settle for danny d giving you the traffic report over your favorite song. So there is no comparison there. |
I am not talking Danny D more of internet radio shows ... but I get your point. |
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| Bassi77 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
advertising, sponsorships and promotions of his newest tracks with the hope that people will buy them.
Also ASOT is on the air so stations pay a syndication licencing fee to the show. |
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If it all comes down to buying tracks and CD, then the music industry still needs some major restructuring in order to adapt to this major problem. They need some kind of brilliant system that actually benefits the music industry when ppl download illegally(which is the current trend these days). I know this is easier said than done, so the industry will be forced to change sooner or later to keep its self alive. |
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| Theresa |
*Copied and pasted from a post I made in a similar thread a 20948290384 years ago*
I think people would be and are much more willing to spend money on an album if the album is providing the quality that the consumer deserves.
I think that file sharing is a way for people to test out if they like an artists music, and when they decide, they can make an effort to collect and support their work.
Sure this isn't always the case, however there ARE still people supporting their favourite artists.
Maybe if these greedy-ass record companies weren't quickly throwing onto CD's half the time to mass produce and sell them for as much money as they can, leaving the buyer's disappointed with where their hard earned money went, people wouldn't be so inclined to "steal" the songs first.
There have been many times where I bought a CD, and the one song I knew I liked was on it, and the rest were garbage. I wasted $25 on a coaster!
Record companies need to start selling QUALITY work, stuff people will enjoy, or the people wont want to buy it.
I have discovered more artists through Kazaa, DC++ etc. then I ever would. I do not watch TV at all, and I rarely listen to the radio. If it hadn't been for file sharing, I wouldn't be the TranceAddict I am today.
I think that file sharing is making music better for the consumers, and that, in my opinion, is what is most important. Finally, people are getting the music they want, and not the that they feed us. |
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