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Teens using Salvia Divinorim (pg. 3)
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| PaulCky411 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
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To anyone who thinks its "short and fun", you are in for a surprise. yes it is short, and yes you will feel completely back to normal 30 minutes after smoking it. But let me tell you that that first 15 minutes can be the most intense 15 minutes in your life.
I smoked 2 hits of the 10x and held them in till I exhaled almost nothing. After passing the pipe to my friend I started laughing when he asked "are you feeling anything?". I started to feel weighted down into the couch, like gravity had just been increased by 100%, and the absurdity of "are you feeling anything?" made me laugh more and more untill I was literally crying and laughing so damn hard. What happened next is hard to describe and hard to remember. It was as if all of a sudden with one giant crack of a whip I was on the moon, or somewhere else, some bizarre place where there was no logic or reason to anything, where anything I was actually seeing and hearing were so far removed from reality by the drug that I had no idea where I was, what I was, or if I was alive or dead. It was like having a quick dream, a very bright dream and then waking up somewhere you've never been before.
If I've ever come close to feeling anything like being dead, this is it. The crazy part is, after this sudden upset in my reality, I had completely forgotten that I had just smoked salvia. I literally had no idea what the hell was going on, and what the hell was going to happen. And then what is even MORE bizarre, is the way reality slowly, slowly crept back in over the next 20 minutes, and the huge weight holding me down slowly lifted. I felt paralyzed, completely paralyzed as the effects lifted away. When I finally started to realise where I was, I still didnt know what had happened, and it took some friends to calm me down. None of them had smoked 2 hits at once or held them in as long as I had, and thus my experience was much more intense than theirs.
Its funny, because after doing it I had to go lie down for 15 minutes as it completely wore off, and I immediatly swore i'd never "do that again". 20 minutes later and back on earth I was sitting there thinking " that was pretty damn cool!"
I've carefully experimented with my share of drugs, but nothing has ever caused me to doubt my own existence and see such a strange and alien place as Salvia... |
I 100% believe this... reminds me of what happened to me the first time I did it... 2 hits from a bong, held them both in for like 30 seconds and then I was GONE... At first I started to laugh uncontrollably and then all of the sudden I literally thought I was driving a mack truck down the highway in the middle of the night when in actuality I was in my friend's garage sitting on a case of pepsi. I still remember driving that truck down the highway. I could actually see the white broken up highway lines flying by me as I was passing them. After "driving the truck" I somehow realized that I was still in my friend's garage but I got wicked hot and was sweating my ass off so I stood up and I ripped my sweater off and threw it on the floor. When I did that I looked around and I thought I was actually apart of the jeep wrangler that I was standing next to. Like... I felt like I was really a piece of the car itself. Because of that, I did a complete 360 (I turned around completely) just to make sure what I felt wasn't actually real... but for about 30 more seconds I somehow thought that I was definitely part of that jeep. Finally after it mostly wore off and everyone still laughing their heads off at me... the first words i said to them were "how is that stuff legal??? I'm never doing that again"... and of course, I ended up doing it again like a few weeks later. I never got that much of an effect the next times I did it but the thing is, I never took two huge bong hits again and held them for 30 seconds either.
IF YOU WANT THE FULL EFFECTS... MAKE SURE YOU HOLD IN A HUGE HIT FOR AT LEAST 30 SECONDS!!! -that is my advice if you don't believe what people say about salvia.
ALSO, make sure it's the 10x... I ordered mine from www.iamshaman.com |
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| jacklodestar |
| Yeah sorry was I being lazy and abrieviated the methoxy group, however it is spelled like that as one of the names listed in the merk index. The reason for the vommiting is number one it's an indole derrivative and like most indoles it tastes nasty as hell and so naturally that drip is God aweful,...number two it dehydrates the recieptient extreamily effectively hence why it lasts so long and the trips are so intense. We did a test with 200 subjects and 99 out of 100 in each group vommited reguardless of weither it was administered orally or insulflated (snorted). It's weird but it really doesnt matter how much you take the nausea accompanied with this substance is almost impossible to beat. A recent developement was discovered with reguards to beating the nausea associated with 5-methoxy-disopropyl-tryptamine (don't get excited there's 5 other spellings of this one too) also known as 5-meo-dipt. The method was to take a dose of looperamide (imodium AD to those not pharmasuitically inclined) which countered the nausea. Looperamide was tried with 5-meo-amt with inconsistent results though,...a bigger test group and more doses are needed to substantiate the claim though. I can say from experience if you do come accross some "foxy" (5-meo-dipt) do your self a favor and take some imodium a.d. and your ass and stomache will thank you later on in the trip. |
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| DaveT |
It's funny because I was reading a site yesterday that explained how to ween yourself onto the stuff.
Says the first few times you do it will most likely be a very rough experience...and teaches you how to make it a good experience after a few times.
It basically starts you off with lying in a (rather empty) room w/o nothing around and not moving. Then as you do it more you slowly start letting me things in around you and start working movement in.
Basically getting your body to know what it does to you so the experience is good one in the end.
I need to find the link. |
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| Electrophile |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacklodestar
Yeah sorry was I being lazy and abrieviated the methoxy group, however it is spelled like that as one of the names listed in the merk index. The reason for the vommiting is number one it's an indole derrivative and like most indoles it tastes nasty as hell and so naturally that drip is God aweful,...number two it dehydrates the recieptient extreamily effectively hence why it lasts so long and the trips are so intense. We did a test with 200 subjects and 99 out of 100 in each group vommited reguardless of weither it was administered orally or insulflated (snorted). It's weird but it really doesnt matter how much you take the nausea accompanied with this substance is almost impossible to beat. A recent developement was discovered with reguards to beating the nausea associated with 5-methoxy-disopropyl-tryptamine (don't get excited there's 5 other spellings of this one too) also known as 5-meo-dipt. The method was to take a dose of looperamide (imodium AD to those not pharmasuitically inclined) which countered the nausea. Looperamide was tried with 5-meo-amt with inconsistent results though,...a bigger test group and more doses are needed to substantiate the claim though. I can say from experience if you do come accross some "foxy" (5-meo-dipt) do your self a favor and take some imodium a.d. and your ass and stomache will thank you later on in the trip. |
Ahhhh yes, I didn't even notice the indole until I looked at a structure. Indoles are very nasty things, literally. They smell like feces and I am sure they taste like feces for that mater. As for the whole loperamide idea: it will control diarrhea but it WILL NOT control vomiting or nausea. Loperamide actually slows down your large intestine and allows water to be drawn out of fecal matter, it has nothing to do with vomiting. If you are looking to prevent nasea and vomiting then I suggest you try prochlorperazine or lorazepam, although the latter will leave you layed out because of its effects as a muscle relaxer. |
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| euclid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electrophile
Correction -> 5-methoxy-alpha-methyltryptamine, 5-MeO-AMT
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No, your correction is incorrect. I was not referring to 5-Methoxy Alpha Methyl Tryptamine, I was referring to 5-methoxy N,N dimethyl tryptamine.
5 methoxy alphatryptamine has a single carbon attached in the alpha position on tryptamine's sidechain, and is a long-acting serotonergic agonist (and likely also a presynaptic chatacolamine reuptake inhibitor), and a highly visual and euphoric substance. The peak (more like a plateau) lasts for about 10-12 hours, good luck sleeping in the 24 hours after dosing. It can be dosed by any route of your choice (insuffulation of 2-4mg is recommended, although 1mg can be highly active), and is a quite pleasant substance, although the stimulant-like aftereffects can be somewhat annoying. This substance was used in the soviet union as an antidepressant (in small doses) in the mid 20th century. It was called IT-290.
5 methoxy dimethyltryptamine has two carbons bonded to the terminal nitrogen on tryptamine's sidechain. It is a very short acting serotornegic agonist that must be administered via vaporization and inhalation or injection, as if ingested orally it is broken down by the Monoamine Oxidase enzyme. A 15mg dose is like going from baseline to 20 hits of acid (without visual patterns, although there are very pronounced visual distortions) in 5 seconds. The peak will last for 7 minutes or so, and most people think that they are going to die or have already the first time they take it, and many are vocal about it. Total effects last for 20-30 minutes, the only aftereffect is a plesant afterglow. Smaller and larger doses are possible, but 10-15mg is all most people can handle. More than that, you white out and become a plant. Try it sometime, it's interesting. :D Coincedentally, a large amount of this substance is released by the pineal gland upon death, perhaps explaining the death and dying theme that many experience their first time.
N,N DMT is similar, although ridiculously visual. The dose required is also much higher, in the 30-60mg range. Plants containing it are ingested with short acting monoamine oxidase inhibitors in tribal shamanic and divinitive rituals in south america, a brew known as ayahuasca. It is illegal in the US. |
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| euclid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electrophile
Ahhhh yes, I didn't even notice the indole until I looked at a structure. Indoles are very nasty things, literally. They smell like feces and I am sure they taste like feces for that mater. As for the whole loperamide idea: it will control diarrhea but it WILL NOT control vomiting or nausea. Loperamide actually slows down your large intestine and allows water to be drawn out of fecal matter, it has nothing to do with vomiting. If you are looking to prevent nasea and vomiting then I suggest you try prochlorperazine or lorazepam, although the latter will leave you layed out because of its effects as a muscle relaxer. |
Really? Most people I know find the smell of indole/indoles to be rather plesant although odd, they smell nothing like feces. They also happen to be a very common feature of many of your tissues, one of the amino acids your body requires from dietary protein (tryptophan), and are the base of one of your primary cerebral neurotransmitters (5-HT, 5-Hydroxytryptamine, Serotonin), so I don't see what's so nasty about them. Although I'm not sure what feces tastes like, I'm willing to bet it's nothing like indole. The indoles that we're talking about here are actually indole alkaloids (Trypt_amine_? Think it could be a primary amine?) and as such they taste rather bitter.
You're absolutely right, loperamide won't do a thing for vomiting. Did you know that loperamide is a methadone analog? It'd probably be great fun if it would cross your glial cells and make it to the synapse, but it doesn't. It just has all of the effects on your body of other opiates (hence slowing down your intestines) without and CNS activity.
And lorazepam isn't a muscle relaxer, it's the gabaergic anxiolytic benzodiazipine otherwise known as Ativan. I'd suggest not taking it with any psychedelic unless you want to kill the trip, which it's rather good at.
With 5-meo-amt, I'd suggest just puking and getting it over with. I doubt any OTC antiemetic is going to do the trick. |
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| Electrophile |
| quote: | Originally posted by euclid
No, your correction is incorrect. I was not referring to 5-Methoxy Alpha Methyl Tryptamine, I was referring to 5-methoxy N,N dimethyl tryptamine.
5 methoxy alphatryptamine has a single carbon attached in the alpha position on tryptamine's sidechain, and is a long-acting serotonergic agonist (and likely also a presynaptic chatacolamine reuptake inhibitor), and a highly visual and euphoric substance. The peak (more like a plateau) lasts for about 10-12 hours, good luck sleeping in the 24 hours after dosing. It can be dosed by any route of your choice (insuffulation of 2-4mg is recommended, although 1mg can be highly active), and is a quite pleasant substance, although the stimulant-like aftereffects can be somewhat annoying. This substance was used in the soviet union as an antidepressant (in small doses) in the mid 20th century. It was called IT-290.
5 methoxy dimethyltryptamine has two carbons bonded to the terminal nitrogen on tryptamine's sidechain. It is a very short acting serotornegic agonist that must be administered via vaporization and inhalation or injection, as if ingested orally it is broken down by the Monoamine Oxidase enzyme. A 15mg dose is like going from baseline to 20 hits of acid (without visual patterns, although there are very pronounced visual distortions) in 5 seconds. The peak will last for 7 minutes or so, and most people think that they are going to die or have already the first time they take it, and many are vocal about it. Total effects last for 20-30 minutes, the only aftereffect is a plesant afterglow. Smaller and larger doses are possible, but 10-15mg is all most people can handle. More than that, you white out and become a plant. Try it sometime, it's interesting. :D Coincedentally, a large amount of this substance is released by the pineal gland upon death, perhaps explaining the death and dying theme that many experience their first time.
N,N DMT is similar, although ridiculously visual. The dose required is also much higher, in the 30-60mg range. Plants containing it are ingested with short acting monoamine oxidase inhibitors in tribal shamanic and divinitive rituals in south america, a brew known as ayahuasca. It is illegal in the US. |
I was not correcting you, I was correcting jacklodestar. Scroll up and read the correction. You can impress me if you can tell me what is so special about the 5-MeO and why it is present in so many substances. BTW, you have your IUPAC wrong with "5-methoxy N,N dimethyl tryptamine" and "5-Methoxy Alpha Methyl Tryptamine" they should read 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine and 5-methoxy-alpha-methyltryptamine respectively. |
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| Electrophile |
| quote: | Originally posted by euclid
And lorazepam isn't a muscle relaxer, it's the gabaergic anxiolytic benzodiazipine otherwise known as Ativan. I'd suggest not taking it with any psychedelic unless you want to kill the trip, which it's rather good at.
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Correct, diazepam is the muscle relaxant. I always confuse the two. I have way too many compounds in my head.
BTW, I think we hijacked this thread LOL |
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| euclid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electrophile
I was not correcting you, I was correcting jacklodestar. Scroll up and read the correction. You can impress me if you can tell me what is so special about the 5-MeO and why it is present in so many substances. BTW, you have your IUPAC wrong with "5-methoxy N,N dimethyl tryptamine" and "5-Methoxy Alpha Methyl Tryptamine" they should read 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine and 5-methoxy-alpha-methyltryptamine respectively. |
Apologies, my error.
Trust me, I don't need any help with IUPAC notation. :) Thanks though, it's good info to include.
The only thing I know of that's special about the methoxy group in these substances is it's a moderate electron withdrawing group in the same position as the normally activating HO group on serotonin, and thus has a rather interesting correspondance with receptor affinity. |
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| euclid |
And yes, I think we hijacked this thread. I'm really bad about that. :)
It's interesting discussion regardless. If you have some other info as to what makes the 5-MeO group so special in these substances, I'd love to hear it. |
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| Electrophile |
| quote: | Originally posted by euclid
And yes, I think we hijacked this thread. I'm really bad about that. :)
It's interesting discussion regardless. If you have some other info as to what makes the 5-MeO group so special in these substances, I'd love to hear it. |
Trick question ;) I wanted to make sure you aren't some kid making stuff up LOL. The only thing obvious to me is that the 5-MeO is the positional analogue of the 4- substituent in phenethylamines. But then any 5-___oxy has potential as a psychoative substance. |
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