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Teens using Salvia Divinorim (pg. 5)
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| Jeffree |
I just remembered we grew Salvia Divinorum at a green house I used to work at. :D
As for all those drugs whose names consist of numbers and letters and don't even have "street" names... I generally think it's best to stay away from those ;)
I tried... Uhhh... 2CB or something like that when I was rolled outa my gourd after Area II... was fun but I don't think I woulda made that decision had I been in my right mind. :p |
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| euclid |
Chemistry and pharmacology are hobbies, I study theoretical physics for my "professional" work. I just happen to bee the type of guy that doesn't watch TV and prefers to read nonfiction when I'm not painting, spinning records, at parties or with friends.
And yeah, jack is right, IT-290 is AMT, not the 5-substituted variety. I was really, really tired when I posted that. I do however stand by the fact that 5-meo-amt it is very, very plesant for the first 12 hours- unless you take a huge overdose. I have never taken more than maybe 10mg. I don't recommend that anyone use any substance, especially powerful and sparsely researched ones like this. Those that do use this should never even think about doing more than 5mg (not safe or much fun after that), and never start with more than .5-1mg. I mean come on, 600mg? :D You've got brass balls, man.
I am unaware of any deaths attributed to this substance, I would like to read about any cases you can point me toward, jack. Since it would be a unique case, the ME would likely publish something about it and I'd love to hear what they have to say about the substance's toxicological profile. BTW, the vomiting and muscle tension are likely due to the substance binding to peripheral 5HT receptors, particularly arterial ones, rather than toxicity.
Paul & Lomeli: If you want to study chem, go for it. You won't regret it, it seems almost universal that one rarely regrets the time spent gaining new knowledge. Organic chemistry is generally really easy stuff to grasp and rather interesting/entertaining to study. I can recommend some good starter books if you like. |
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| euclid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jeffree
As for all those drugs whose names consist of numbers and letters and don't even have "street" names... I generally think it's best to stay away from those ;)
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Generally a good idea.
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I tried... Uhhh... 2CB or something like that when I was rolled outa my gourd after Area II... was fun but I don't think I woulda made that decision had I been in my right mind. :p
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2CB has been around since the 60's and is rather safe. This stuff was all over the early rave scene (still is although it's been illegal since I think 1994). It does have a few street names, it was sold mail order as nexus when it was legal, it was also called bees, bromomescaline (which it technically is not), and simply bromo. People have been known to try to pass it off as mescaline. |
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| MR STROKE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
+1
To anyone who thinks its "short and fun", you are in for a surprise. yes it is short, and yes you will feel completely back to normal 30 minutes after smoking it. But let me tell you that that first 15 minutes can be the most intense 15 minutes in your life.
I smoked 2 hits of the 10x and held them in till I exhaled almost nothing. After passing the pipe to my friend I started laughing when he asked "are you feeling anything?". I started to feel weighted down into the couch, like gravity had just been increased by 100%, and the absurdity of "are you feeling anything?" made me laugh more and more untill I was literally crying and laughing so damn hard. What happened next is hard to describe and hard to remember. It was as if all of a sudden with one giant crack of a whip I was on the moon, or somewhere else, some bizarre place where there was no logic or reason to anything, where anything I was actually seeing and hearing were so far removed from reality by the drug that I had no idea where I was, what I was, or if I was alive or dead. It was like having a quick dream, a very bright dream and then waking up somewhere you've never been before.
If I've ever come close to feeling anything like being dead, this is it. The crazy part is, after this sudden upset in my reality, I had completely forgotten that I had just smoked salvia. I literally had no idea what the hell was going on, and what the hell was going to happen. And then what is even MORE bizarre, is the way reality slowly, slowly crept back in over the next 20 minutes, and the huge weight holding me down slowly lifted. I felt paralyzed, completely paralyzed as the effects lifted away. When I finally started to realise where I was, I still didnt know what had happened, and it took some friends to calm me down. None of them had smoked 2 hits at once or held them in as long as I had, and thus my experience was much more intense than theirs.
Its funny, because after doing it I had to go lie down for 15 minutes as it completely wore off, and I immediatly swore i'd never "do that again". 20 minutes later and back on earth I was sitting there thinking " that was pretty damn cool!"
I've carefully experimented with my share of drugs, but nothing has ever caused me to doubt my own existence and see such a strange and alien place as Salvia... |
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| Lomeli |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacklodestar
it's produced naturally in the body at two points during a humans life: once at conception (birth) and once at death. |
That's nutty. |
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| MR STROKE |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacklodestar
DMT scares me because it's produced naturally in the body at two points durring a humans life: once at conception (birth) and once at death. I used it once and was around bad people so maybe that's why I didn't enjoy it but for me it's something I don't like playing with for spiritual reasons. Has anyone tried methylone or 5-meo-mipt? |
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Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990's at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience phenomenon. Only two of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or video hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases.
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| Electrophile |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lomeli
What books would you recommend to get me started? |
I have so many books that I don't even know where to start. Organic chemistry is a very difficult subject and can not be learned from just reading one book. There is so much to learn. PM me and let me know what your specific interests are in the chemical realm and I can give you direction. The most basic of all things is IUPAC and alkane, alkenes, alkines. After you have those down you can move onto aromaticity and after that then you can move into the fun stuff. I would suggest buying a model kit as it makes makes bonds and steric hinderence obvious. If something works on paper but doesn't work in the lab, it is steric hinderence 95% of the time. |
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| Electrophile |
| quote: | Originally posted by euclid
Chemistry and pharmacology are hobbies, I study theoretical physics for my "professional" work. |
Strange thing here is that I am the inverse, organic chemistry is my profession and I study cosmology and theoretical physics for fun.
About the whole o chem is easy thing.... its easy when you read about it as a hobby but once you dive into real o chem and not just the few "fun" drugs things get beyond complex. If it was that easy I would have had my PhD. two years ago. |
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| Audioholic |
| I had no idea that there were other people on this board who were so knowledgeable about pharmacology. i guess me and my pharm degree are not alone anymore. haha |
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| PaulCky411 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Audioholic
I had no idea that there were other people on this board who were so knowledgeable about pharmacology. i guess me and my pharm degree are not alone anymore. haha |
where'd you go to school to get your degree in pharm? - also, are you a pharmacist now or did you decide to use your degree for something else? |
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| euclid |
| quote: | Originally posted by Electrophile
Strange thing here is that I am the inverse, organic chemistry is my profession and I study cosmology and theoretical physics for fun.
About the whole o chem is easy thing.... its easy when you read about it as a hobby but once you dive into real o chem and not just the few "fun" drugs things get beyond complex. If it was that easy I would have had my PhD. two years ago. |
Nice to see people do have interests similar to mine.
And yeah, I agree completely. The basics are very easy, and that is as far as most people need to go. A working knowledge of basic Ochem can really help you understand the world around you.
There certainly is some seriously wacky stuff that comes up when you get a bit deeper down the Ochem rabbit hole. Although there is still more that is not known about the subject (like most sciences) than known (probablilties :D), there is a huge body of knowledge that must be acquired to be able to do any _real_ research. I give you mucho respect for choosing Ochem for your doctoral, it does get ridiculous at the higher levels.
One of my roommates is working on his PhD in Ochem (just published his first paper), another in nanofluidics (his 2nd, he already did biomedical engineering) the other in Nuclear engineering. I'm sure that you can imagine the light conversations that go on over beers and psytrance in this house. ;) Damn we're nerds. Wish I wasn't leaving. |
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| Audioholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by PaulCky411
where'd you go to school to get your degree in pharm? - also, are you a pharmacist now or did you decide to use your degree for something else? |
I graduated from UCSB. Im probably not going to pursue the pharmacist career just cause that whole environment doesnt interest (I was an RX tech for a year and half and dealing with grumpy, sick ederly all day was not appealing). Im applying for med schools soon so i can do something like being a psychiatry or anaesthesiology. If med school doesnt work out then its a masters degree in psychopharmacology or neuropharm:disbelief |
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