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How bad is Tiesto's Mixing... really??? (live) (pg. 3)
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| Faj27 |
Tiesto will always get flack as long as he's popular. He get's paid millions regardless if I like him or not, in fact I doubt he really cares.
Well I personally don't care for his style, and from a technical perspective he isn't impressive. But I must say, back four and five years ago he had a better sound, he would generally begin his sets with dark and progressive house (ie. holden & thompson - nothing, indiana - do you hear me dino lenny remix) and then transition into quality trance music like utah saints - lost vagueness oliver lieb remix (still my all time favorite song) or some older stuff from L Vee (airwave/green martian). If I recall correctly, listen to his Dance Departments set from 2002 and you'll know what I mean.
After being spoiled with that, I gave up on him (and trance music) when the quality in track selection depreciated. Trance music is not about riding, sampling, looping or scratching...it's about track selection. I get pissed when I think of how good trance used to be haha. But, times change, djs change and taste changes. I regard Danny Howells, Michael Mayer, Superpitcher and Josh Wink as proper djs...but for whatever reason they are not at the level of fame or recognition as Tiesto is. Oh well, that's enough ranting. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by ClearVision
hm ok. well structurally I have definately found differences, and I cue up my next track accordingly. As far as set progression, I kinda do the same thing for trance and house... I think you can mix trance progressively as well.
You got any house sets I could listen to?? |
Click the link in my sig. ;) |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
Click the links in my sig. ;) |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by UWM
Click the image in my sig. ;) |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
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wtf is your avatar? :wtf: |
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| nefardec |
sorry i'm going to start off topic and get back
| quote: | | A trance DJ will never obtain the same skills as a techno or house DJ simply because of the way you get the mix, ie the melody is already constructed within the track itself. |
that's pretty true with trance of late, but that definitely doesn't hold up for older trance tracks, ie Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate Remix), etc etc.
new trance lacks what they would call a "groove". it has been supplanted by something of a much different nature, i'm not sure what i'd call it. I'm sure many of you would insert an expletive here. Maybe I'll say that the groove has been supplanted by the anthem. And that the groove, that simple and complex thing that infects your entire body with a sustained feeling has been supplanted by a repetition of melody that steals the thunder if you will from the groove. It is a false prophet that leads the music away from the body, where it belongs. this is why you can go to a huge pvd "concert" of 3000 people and only 100 will be dancing, while the others are simply pumping air with fists to the simple beat and cheering on breakdowns.
If tiesto's mixing is bad it's definitely partially because of the tracks he plays. When you have these tracks that have such a blatant, almost arrogant construction they each demand that each is "the" track at the moment, and they don't allow themselves to be mixed well except over certain parts. Now I am generalizing, because I can also think of many examples of two tracks that one could play that have constructive and not deconstructive interference, tracks with complementary or identical chord progressions or really similar samples/patches. Or the other option again, if the tracks 'permit', is to mix in on the buildup of another track so as to avoid the whole buildup/breakdown cheesefest but again this doesn't work well for those really arrogant tracks that occupy every imaginable frequency at the same time.
also you shouldn't dj if you are tone-deaf unless you are beethoven or a minimalist. remember, this is music we're talking about. |
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| lücid |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
wtf is your avatar? :wtf: |
just a cool looking leaf design thingy. i'm really anal about having my avatar/sig all in the same color scheme.
wtf happened to your notorious santanatee? |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
wtf happened to your notorious santanatee? |
Well, the best explanation would be:
| quote: | Originally posted by lücid
i'm really anal . . . my avatar/sig
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Since you've gotten me on this "Internet forum persona feng shui" kick, I have a desperate need for a cool looking sig/avatar combo at all times! :wtf: :p ;)
srsly! :( |
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| UWM |
| I really need photoshop so I can h4x killer avatar / sig combos like all you guys. |
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| julien2 |
| click the link in their sigs |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by julien2
click the link in their sigs |
That's a good user right there! 
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| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
sorry i'm going to start off topic and get back
that's pretty true with trance of late, but that definitely doesn't hold up for older trance tracks, ie Schiller - Das Glockenspiel (Humate Remix), etc etc.
new trance lacks what they would call a "groove". it has been supplanted by something of a much different nature, i'm not sure what i'd call it. I'm sure many of you would insert an expletive here. Maybe I'll say that the groove has been supplanted by the anthem. And that the groove, that simple and complex thing that infects your entire body with a sustained feeling has been supplanted by a repetition of melody that steals the thunder if you will from the groove. It is a false prophet that leads the music away from the body, where it belongs. this is why you can go to a huge pvd "concert" of 3000 people and only 100 will be dancing, while the others are simply pumping air with fists to the simple beat and cheering on breakdowns.
If tiesto's mixing is bad it's definitely partially because of the tracks he plays. When you have these tracks that have such a blatant, almost arrogant construction they each demand that each is "the" track at the moment, and they don't allow themselves to be mixed well except over certain parts. Now I am generalizing, because I can also think of many examples of two tracks that one could play that have constructive and not deconstructive interference, tracks with complementary or identical chord progressions or really similar samples/patches. Or the other option again, if the tracks 'permit', is to mix in on the buildup of another track so as to avoid the whole buildup/breakdown cheesefest but again this doesn't work well for those really arrogant tracks that occupy every imaginable frequency at the same time.
also you shouldn't dj if you are tone-deaf unless you are beethoven or a minimalist. remember, this is music we're talking about. |
the humate remix of das glockenspiel has 5min breakdown! i fail to see how there's any groove in that. :wtf: |
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