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Why go Software over Hardware?? (pg. 5)
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| Krispy Kreme |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lokhèn
Can you then explain to me why experienced producers that have been using hardware, and hardware only, for years and years, and have had numerous classics, now go all software ? |
OH RLY? who goes ALL software? BULL. They might use software synths, plugins however when they process it / master it they still use hardware. Stop feeding people bull |
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| ASFSE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krispy Kreme
i said using ALL software "buddy" |
that is all software "buddy" |
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| Krispy Kreme |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Bwahah, that's the most unbelievably unscientific and just plumb stupid thing I've read in a long time. There's no difference between the "summing" on a PC/Mac and the myriad of digital hardware synths like the Virus or JP. They're all using "1s and 0s", and if that's your only criteria, you'll often get better quality on a computer because you can mix in 24/96, whereas a lot of hardware synths still use 16/44 internally, and of course you have to deal with ADCs/DACs and noisy lines which sacrifices even more quality.
Now, certainly there are some software packages that are somewhat lackluster when it comes to audio interpolation in real time, but pretty much all of those have a "high quality" mode for the final bounce, so in the end it makes no difference.
Don't quit your day job! |
Sure.... theres no difference between summing in logic, and running stems through an outboard mixer or summing amp . Again, stop feeding people bull :haha: |
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| Krispy Kreme |
| quote: | Originally posted by ASFSE
that is all software "buddy" |
i never said adam bakers soundset sounded like "buddy". |
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| Krispy Kreme |
| quote: | Originally posted by deceptikon
Lol what do you think is coming out of your "analog modelling" (digital) synthesizer? 2s and 3s? Get a clue. |
no, when you bring the audio out and add some analog to it the waveforms become nice and round and even feels better to listen to. Also, even running softsynth through amps make a big difference. Keep all your stuff in the box for all i care. :haha: |
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| Krispy Kreme |
| last week I ran my mixes through a neve along with some outboard gear and the difference was night and day. You in the box peeps can say whatever you want, at the end of the day hardware still owns the out of software. |
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| ASFSE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krispy Kreme
i never said adam bakers soundset sounded like "buddy". |
ya but what you did say was that all software does sound like ...so..what gives? |
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| Malhiotface |
| Software vs. Hardware.......... Well it all depends on the sound coming out. I have played with many different software programs and I have to say that some of the sounds coming out of those programs sound amazing, but I do come across some that don't really sound good. There is some hardware that make my jaw drop because of the sounds that come out of it, but there are some hardware synths that sound like crap. This also depends on the sound you want from a certain synth. Some synths are great for making crazy effect type sounds, but would not be good for making rich sounding pads. Just play around with different software by downloading demos, and try to take a few trips to your local guitar center or whatever music shop you have near by and get a feel for some of the hardware. Best of luck to you. Just remember in the end, its all about making music. :) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krispy Kreme
Sure.... theres no difference between summing in logic, and running stems through an outboard mixer or summing amp . Again, stop feeding people bull :haha: |
First of all, as has already been stated, modern virtual analog synths do not have dedicated mixers, mainly because it's far cheaper to use a DSP or onboard software than it is to buy op-amps of high enough quality to do the mixing purely through hardware. Since these devices already have onboard DSP for all their onboard effects (how do you think a Virus adds delay or reverb without routing through a DSP? Magic?), it would be ludicrous not to use it for the mixing as well, that's just throwing away money.
Second, there actually is very little difference in quality between traditional analog and high-quality (24/96, although most people can't even hear the difference at 16/44) digital mixing. The internal noise floor in a 16/44 (CD quality) digital domain is about -130 dB. With an analog mixer you're lucky to get -100 dB. I'm not sure what other criteria you're using to compare, but the only other difference between analog and digital is that analog equipment has nonlinearities in the frequency response which means that your output isn't always a faithful reproduction of the input - not a problem in the digital world. Most of the noise in a solid-state mixer is also usually of the 3rd-order distortion variety that isn't a Good Thing by anyone's standards.
Now, your average DAC or ADC might have a noise floor of around -80 to -100 dB, which *can* be noticeable through repeated conversions, but if you're doing everything in the digital domain and mastering to CD then there is no conversion at all! This only applies if you're recording hardware instruments in your mix.
Instead of responding with ignorant one-liners and telling everybody else to "stop feeding people bull", why don't you actually take a few minutes to learn the math and science behind this subject, or at least listen to the people who have?
Oh, but I forgot, you actually TRIED this and HEARD the difference. Wow. I know people who insist they can hear the difference when they freeze their cables, but that doesn't mean they aren't full of . People hear what they want to hear when it confirms preconceptions they already have (such as you being superior to everybody who's "still in the box").
I remember some of your other retarded threads too, asking nublet "big red button" questions and getting upset at the lack of answers. Like I said, don't quit your day job - if this is your attitude then you're not likely to make much progress as a producer. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krispy Kreme
Sure.... theres no difference between summing in logic, and running stems through an outboard mixer or summing amp . Again, stop feeding people bull :haha: |
You do realize that most synths you use these days may be hardware on the outside, but they're software on the inside, right?
Yeah, that means your virus, and your microQ, and your JP8000, and your rolands.
All software.
Unless... you have an Andromeda. Which I doubt you do; but if you do, then it's half-and-half. That one's a real piece of work. |
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| deceptikon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krispy Kreme
no, when you bring the audio out and add some analog to it the waveforms become nice and round and even feels better to listen to. Also, even running softsynth through amps make a big difference. Keep all your stuff in the box for all i care. :haha: |
Have a look at my studio in the pictures thread plz :) |
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| deceptikon |
Here KK, let me make it easier for you, or are all of these "in the box"?
Btw, none of those "add some analog" as you put it. Lol. |
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