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Overproduction: what is it? (pg. 2)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
LOL
Wow... |
Don't "wow" me, you idiotic . I'm talking about how BT introduced super-attentive production into trance music and you've apparently managed to interpret that as "BT inspired a huge amount of people to make trance". Even then, your logic is completely ed up as to say that we've all been brainwashed by major record labels so when we get into dance music we only listen to one sub-genre... and apparently that explains why a lot of new trance producers sprung up. |
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| Allied Nations |
Fischerspooner - Odyssey
This album is one of the best examples of overproduction IMO. |
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| DJ Shibby |
No need to get angry and start degrading into some mad ape.
I'm sorry you can't connect the dots and see why my response was linked to yours, and I'll wow at you if I damn well please. You don't want to be wowed at? Then buy a clue.
Here's your clue, or better yet, I'll draw the whole picture for you: BT had nothing to do with trance music being "over-produced" any more than anyone else, especially when other more fundamental foundations have already been laid.
Those are the things I went over in my last reply... which is not my fault if you can't hold complete thoughts for longer than 13 seconds.
PS: Your reply shows a complete and expected lack of understanding of what I was saying. Nice work, I'm impressed. :) |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Here's your clue, or better yet, I'll draw the whole picture for you: BT had nothing to do with trance music being "over-produced" any more than anyone else, especially when other more fundamental foundations have already been laid. |
And what the does that have to with major record labels, 3 minute pop music or focusing on one particular genre? Nothing. You're just spouting platitudinous and then trying to insult the intelligence of anyone who sees the irrelevant crap in your posts. And you can try and backtrack all you like, but you screwed up and now you're desperately scrabbling to keep face.
BT is one of the earliest trance producers, as well as the creator of several commonplace production techniques. Even his first trance records were notable for their high level of production for the day and he's gone on to be extremely popular. Such is his reputation for heavy production he holds a World Record for the most vocal edits in a track. Since he was an early, high-profile practitioner of highly produced trance records I see a good claim for him being the initiator. You know- when someone famously does something new and then others begin doing the same. We usually call that trend-setting.
Although this is irrelevant to the bollocks you wrote and are now trying to pass off as an equally defunct, only slightly more relevant argument. |
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| trancepunkk |
bt was not the cause of "hollow" trance, if people truly did follow him it wouldnt have been hollow at all. if its anybodies fault it would be more armin van buuren's fault for doing practically the same thing with all of his tracks, trying nothing new and still being one of the biggest names in the industry and having crap like love you more as apparantly one of the best tracks this year.
bt is a legend, hes done nothing but great things for this industry and trying to perfect his tracks with technical competence has nothing to do with other s being show offs and subsequently making crap |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancepunkk
bt was not the cause of "hollow" trance, if people truly did follow him it wouldnt have been hollow at all. if its anybodies fault it would be more armin van buuren's fault for doing practically the same thing with all of his tracks, trying nothing new and still being one of the biggest names in the industry and having crap like love you more as apparantly one of the best tracks this year.
bt is a legend, hes done nothing but great things for this industry and trying to perfect his tracks with technical competence has nothing to do with other s being show offs and subsequently making crap |
I've heard plenty of critics of BT's work who say they find his work soulless with too much production emphasis. You may not agree with that, but you can't objectively measure "soul", not in BT's records or in Armin's. Even as a huge BT fan I've sometimes felt his music sounds like he's spent too much time on the production.
Fact is that BT brought an unprecedented focus on production into the genre and it's spiralled ever since. The copy-cat legions may not have had half his talent and the result was records, but that's no different to Ferry Corsten inspiring endless waves of generic epic trance because people copied him and couldn't get it right. You have to pin someone down as the initiator of a mindset or a sound, and in this case it was BT. Incidentally, given the much-cited argument that software has been the cause of trance's post-millenium creative drought, he was one of the very first to use entirely soft synths to produce some of his tracks, going back as far as the late 90s. |
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| trancepunkk |
good point but most of his productions are still quality either way. atleast he has had alot of variety in his tracks throughout the years, i dont think it has anything to do with alot of the crap that is made nowadays. i use armin as an example of that because he has not done anything different as a producer.....ever. look at all his supposed "hits", blue fear, clear blue moon, burned with desire, communication, etc. etc. and more recently love you more. they all sound so ing similiar, there is nothing really creative about them and by the time i heard love you more i couldnt give the about armin van buuren. but he is still arguably the biggest name in trance, it definitely doesnt send a good message to young producers and dj's about how to make great music and possibly become a success.
bt would be a great role model for a skilled young producer these days, avb just s me now even if i have liked some of his tracks. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You're just spouting platitudinous |
LOL
Did you really just say that? :haha: :stongue: |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Fact is that BT brought an unprecedented focus on production into the genre and it's spiralled ever since. |
Hm.. I think I see your problem. You seem to have issues with cause effect relationships.
Somehow in your head, the two pieces of data, "(1)BT wrote a technical record" and "(2)Trance music today sucks cause of over-technicality" are direct cause effect relationships.
Yet, for whatever reason, in your head you are unable to piece together the data I presented you "(1)Software is readily available to anyone nowadays, thus allowing more people to make music, increasing the ratio of good and bad tunes" and "(2)Trance music today sucks cause of over-technicality".
Go ahead now, think about that for a moment, my pretentious over-platitudinous (LOL) friend.
Yeah... *click*
That's what I thought. :haha: :haha: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| An idea: take really basic, bare-bones synth and drum sounds and compose an entire track using just them. Make it sound compelling even without all the sonic wizardry and window-dressing. And only then go to designing and engineering the ear-tickling stuff. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I usually associate overproduction with a muddiness of sound created by an overabundance of different frequencies at the same time, or a progression or parts that are too melodramatic |
airbase? |
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| thoughtlessjex |
BT is certainly the originator of the production focus, and possibly progressive music in general. This isn't to say his music wasn't quality, or well-written. In fact, he has tremendous skill at making music. Sometimes, even, his music does begin to sound thin in places.
I can't blame him for the rash of overproduction that has permeated everywhere, even psytrance, though. I think AvB may very well be one of the originators of that movement. |
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