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JOC/Tyas/ - Bassdrum Kick? (pg. 8)
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by substorm
Yea..exactly! And i Boosted it a bit around 35 - 40 to get it to work well in the bottom end with the bassline. Then i cut a bit around 200 - 300 to get rid of some unwanted rumble that can desturb the bassline. And finally i gave it a little boost around 2500 to give it some more pressence in the mix. But its always a bit different from mix to mix, like if you had a beat with only a simple offbeat bass, you shouldnt need to tweak the kic that much. But these are the guidelines i always start from!
Cheers
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nice yeah, thats just about how i would eq it, except i do my boost around 60-90hz to give it more punch less thud, it sounds good in ur mix tho. |
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| substorm |
| quote: | Originally posted by flutlicht junky
LMAO chill dude and have a read of pages 3 onwards! You'll understand the power of analog or as they say in JOC/Tyas country ANALOG!
FJ |
Im chilled, i just didnt undestand what you guys what talking about!
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| substorm |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
nice yeah, thats just about how i would eq it, except i do my boost around 60-90hz to give it more punch less thud, it sounds good in ur mix tho. |
Well, the bottom end boost on the kick often depends on whats sound you have on the bassline and where its bottom, so i often use a frequency analyzer to to see where the bottom peaks and gives the best punch! |
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| DJ_Silverstone1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MoonMan
You have a probably all noticed that most productions featuring John O' Callaghan and Sean Tyas all use a very prominent kick, that is tight and really stands out. What kind of production techniques are used for this type of kick?. I know that EQ and compression, and experimentation are the keys to nailing that perfect kick blending through the mix. :)
You have to start with good foundations right?
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he uses Icone's Sample cd's on icone's bit DJ Spoke, Mat Silver, and Sean Tyas are testers and users of it....
not to say the kicks havent come from vengeance too, but iam sure its come from them since it says he uses them. |
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| Synchronicity |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
This thread is very informative. |
I'm not saying this to get at you or anyone else...
Much of that thread was about how hardware VA synths and softsynths are both essentially digital. And many people found the concept that running audio from a digital source through a cable fattens up a sound and makes it sound better, daft - of course.
But... please can those people joking here explain if they are saying there is no difference between real analog and digital? Surely you mean no difference between digital hardware and digital software? I'm not asking about better/worse sounding, I'm asking about different sounding.
If anyone has spent a significant amount of time with real analog gear they will know it creates a unique sound that is just about impossible to recreate digitally.
So my point is, please think about this when you make these comments about 'adding analog' because it comes across like you are saying there is no difference, which is mis-information. :) |
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| DigiNut |
Oh, for the love of...
The "adding analog" joke comes verbatim from one of Krispy Kreme's ridiculous statements in that thread. The joke (which you're ruining, by the way) has nothing to do with analog vs. digital; jex only posted that URL so people would have a clue what we were all talking about. |
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| substorm |
Wikipedia!
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Description
Analogue is usually thought of in an electrical context, but mechanical, pneumatic, hydraulic, and other systems may also use analogue signals.
The word "analogue" implies an analogy between cause and effect, voltage in and voltage out, current in and current out, sound in and sound out. Analogue circuits do not involve quantisation of information into digital format. Whatever the original quantity, whether sound, light, pressure, temperature, or an exceeded limit, the source signal information being handled by the circuit remains continuous from end to end.
[edit] Analogue signals
Main article: Analog signal
An analogue signal uses some property of the medium to convey the signal's information. For example, an aneroid barometer uses angular position as the signal to convey pressure information. Electrically, the property most commonly used is voltage followed closely by frequency, current, and charge.
Any information may be conveyed by an analogue signal, often such a signal is a measured response to changes in physical phenomena, such as sound, light, temperature, position, or pressure, and is achieved using a transducer.
They can take any value from a given range, and each unique signal value represents different information. Simply put, any change in the signal is meaningful, and each level of the signal represents a different and unique level of the phenomenon that it represents. For example, suppose the signal is being used to represent temperature, with one Volt representing one degree Celsius. In such a system 10 Volts would represent 10 degrees, and 10.1 Volts would represent 10.1 degrees. A similar digital circuit may only represent temperature to the nearest degree, so that 10.0 Volts and 10.1 Volts would both represent exactly 10 degrees.[1]
In an analogue sound recording, the variation in pressure of a sound striking a microphone creates a corresponding variation in the current passing through it or voltage across it. An increase in the volume or amplitude of the sound causes the fluctuation of the current or voltage to increase proportionally while keeping the same waveform or shape and electrical analogue.
[edit] Inherent noise
The primary disadvantage of analogue signalling is that any system has noise; that is, random disturbances or variations in it. As the signal is copied and re-copied, or transmitted over long distances, these random variations become dominant and lead to signal degradation. Electrically these losses are lessened by shielding, good connections, and several cable types such as coax and twisted pair and using low noise amplifiers.
The effects of random noise can make signal loss and distortion impossible to recover, since amplifying the signal to recover attenuated parts of the signal often generates more noise and amplifies the noise as well.
Another method of conveying an analogue signal is to use modulation. In this, some base signal (e.g., a sinusoidal carrier wave) has one of its properties altered: amplitude modulation (AM) involves altering the amplitude of a sinusoidal voltage waveform by the source information, frequency modulation (FM) changes the frequency. Other techniques, such as changing the phase of the base signal do also work.
[edit] Analogue vs. digital electronics
Since the information is encoded very differently in analogue and digital electronics, the way they process a signal is consequently very different. However, most operations that can be performed with an analogue signal can also be performed with a digital signal but in a different way.
The first electronic devices invented and mass produced were analogue. However, as time passed, digital circuits have become predominant in electronics. It is important to note that analogue and digital devices are the same, the only difference is the way they represent and process information. The same basic components can be used for analogue or digital circuits.
The main differences between analogue and digital electronics are listed below:
Noise
Because the way information is encoded in analogue circuits, they are much more susceptible to noise than digital circuits, since a small change in the signal can represent a significant change in the information present in the signal and can cause the information present to be lost, corrupted or otherwise made useless. In digital electronics, because the information is quantized, as long as the signal stays inside a range of values, it represents the same information. This is one of the main reasons that digital electronic circuits are predominant. In fact, digital circuits use this principle to regenerate the signal at each logic gate, lessening or removing noise.
Precision
A number of factors affect how precise a signal is, mainly the noise present in the original signal and the noise added by processing. See Signal to Noise Ratio. In digital electronics it is much easier to have high precision signals than in analogue electronics, because of the way information is represented and how noise affects digital and analogue signals.
Speed
Analogue circuits are several times faster than their digital counterparts. Depending on the operation, analogue circuits can be several hundreds or hundreds of thousands of times faster than digital circuits. This is because information in digital circuits is represented by bits, while in analogue electronics it is represented by a property of the signal itself. For example, transmitting a value digitally may require sending 64 bits in succession. The same signal in analogue electronics could easily be represented by a voltage, and transmitting that voltage takes the same time to transmit one bit, so the analogue signal in this case is at least 64 times faster than digital.
Bandwidth
Simply put, bandwidth is the amount of information a given circuit can cope with. The bandwidth of a given circuit depends on the design and application of that particular circuit.
Design Difficulty
Digital systems are much easier and smaller to design than comparable analogue circuits. This is one of the main reasons why digital systems are more common than analogue. An analogue circuit must be designed by hand, and the process is much less automated than for digital systems. Also, because the smaller the integrated circuit (chip) the cheaper it is, and digital systems are much smaller than analogue, digital is cheaper to manufacture |
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| Synchronicity |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Oh, for the love of...
The "adding analog" joke comes verbatim from one of Krispy Kreme's ridiculous statements in that thread. The joke (which you're ruining, by the way) has nothing to do with analog vs. digital; jex only posted that URL so people would have a clue what we were all talking about. |
Bill Hicks I find funny, Larry David I find funny... sorry, but to me this joke is so un-funny it seems serious and I'm proud to have ruined it. :) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Synchronicity
Bill Hicks I find funny, Larry David I find funny |
Who the hell are they? |
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| Synchronicity |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Who the hell are they? |
:p |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Synchronicity
Bill Hicks I find funny, Larry David I find funny... sorry, but to me this joke is so un-funny it seems serious and I'm proud to have ruined it. :) |
We're jaded and curmudgeonly. Let us have our fun. :( |
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| Synchronicity |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
We're jaded and curmudgeonly. Let us have our fun. :( |
Where the hell did you get the word curmudgeonly from!!!
I did think it sounded like you guys were mocking the idea that analog and digital are different. So my intention wasn't to ruin your 'fun', please carry on.. :D |
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