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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
Nope. I'm not talking about executives. I'm talking about developers, yes developers who write software, browser the web, listen to music, etc. I'm talking about developers who got tired of how unstable and complicated Windows is.
BTW: Here is what hi-tech guys do with their computers (a little inside info, hehe)
1) Browser the web
2) Listen to music
3) Write useless emails
4) Watch videos
5) Write code
Note: I don't require Windows do do any of those things. |
well anyone can use the same argument and say "i don't need a Mac to do any of those things", so your point is?:) |
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| Durafei |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
well anyone can use the same argument and say "i don't need a Mac to do any of those things", so your point is?:) |
Read the last sentence of the first paragraph. A lot of people are tired of how unstable and complicated Windows is. That's why they switch. |
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| smuncky |
u also cant forget that PC manufacturers will develope better software and hardware in the next 5-10 years. who knows, maybe MS will come out with a crash free OS in that kinda time.
also, if the mac does become more popular, people will make more viruses and spyware for mac. so the luxury of having a virus free and spywar free mac will be gone and it'll be at the same level as a pc. |
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| oldschool420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
Read the last sentence of the first paragraph. A lot of people are tired of how unstable and complicated Windows is. That's why they switch. |
I actually find windows very user friendly and my XP never crashes. If you maintain your computer properly there should be no issues. I am gonna have to agree with Cosmic, I am not going to simply change to Mac because it can do everything a PC can do. It would have to do alot more for me to want to invest that much money on one. XP works perfectly for me so I wouldn't see myself even considering changing(unless it was free of course) anytime soon. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
well anyone can use the same argument and say "i don't need a Mac to do any of those things", so your point is?:) |
wow, Kris way to come in with a good rebuttal. I agree with her.
Here's the tricky part with market share - if you have the majority of it, you can put out a ty product and people will still buy it because of familiarity. And if you don't have the majority (like Apple, who has a very small market share), you have familiarity working AGAINST you, so you need to make sure your product is significantly better to start getting the market share back. Having a product that's just as good will not sway the market share your way as people will continue to buy what they've always bought. Look at Firefox - it was a gazillion times better than IE6, and it only managed to get 10% of the share before MS came out with IE7 that made the way for Firefox that much harder again. 10%, that's nothing. That's my point here - Mac needs an edge over Windows to start eating the market share back. What is that edge?
My XP at work is stable (unless the very code that we write here crashes it, lol, but Windows isn't to blame for that, it's the devs who watch videos instead of writing good code :p ), and I'm not sure how it's more complicated that OSX.
I remember actually giving OSX a try in one of our nifty Mac labs at UTM (which are empty most of the time, and the only classes held there are for social studies classes; all the comp sci courses use Linux over Mac, hmmmm). All I remember wanting was to kill an hour browsing the web, an doing some common non-thought involving tasks. My experience was that everything was counter-intuitive, and I was wishing I was back on Windows in 30 minutes, and pissed off at it for refusing to do what I wanted to in 45 minutes. I never lasted the full hour.
Out of curiosity, what do you use to code? I've tried many IDEs, but I am yet to find one that I like as much as Visual Studio. |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by oldschool420
I actually find windows very user friendly and my XP never crashes. If you maintain your computer properly there should be no issues. I am gonna have to agree with Cosmic, I am not going to simply change to Mac because it can do everything a PC can do. It would have to do alot more for me to want to invest that much money on one. XP works perfectly for me so I wouldn't see myself even considering changing(unless it was free of course) anytime soon. |
i agree with you here... i love my pc (well lappy in my case) and minor glitches the system throws at me are not worth it for me
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
all the comp sci courses use Linux over Mac, hmmmm). |
yup so do comp sci majors at York and Seneca |
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| E2EK1EL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Matt
you guys obviously need to watch the Keynote demo.
The interface runs smooth as silk. |
1) it was a video
2) wasn't from the iPhone
3) even if it was, the prototype can be tweeked
Until you see the demo running from the actual unit, your a fool to even believe it ... that applies to everything of everything. |
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| Durafei |
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Out of curiosity, what do you use to code? I've tried many IDEs, but I am yet to find one that I like as much as Visual Studio. |
I program in Java, so I use IntelliJ. Those who program in C++ typically use emacs and vim(we program on Linux).
BTW: Here is a good example of how Windows Vista is more complicated to use than OSX. Read this excellent blog post:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/11/21.html |
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| chinaboy1021 |
here's the truth though imo:
as much as some people DONT want the iphone due to poor battery life, price, etc. this iPhone puts EVERY mobile phone on the market to shame.
I dont want this iPhone, but I am definitely looking froward to their next generations.
Also I want to add, not trying to sound like an Apple fan boy though I love their products not for the branding, but for what they are.
Apple has created revolutionary products. Ipods (even though i dislike most of them and dont own one) should be grouped with products such as Silicon, Asprin, CDs, etc. Products that have revolutionized an entire industry.
From what i can see, the iPhone will do it again. It's a nice harmony between function and design. The technology used in it is nothing new. What Apple has created though, with their solid business foundations of making USER FRIENDLY products, is what makes them revolutionary.
There are tons of techie guys out there who hack firmware, punches in special codes to get menus on their cell phones and etc. but Apple caters to the people who want to press 1 button to get calculator, press 2 buttons to make a call. Most consumers never really know why they like the iPod so much, but if you break it down, it's because the fact they dont have to think about it. It just works.
The reason behind why I actually put some thought into this post is because I think (no im not brainwashed, i dont even own any Apple products) Apple is the pinnacle of the harmony of technology and consumers. It gives everything the consumer wants and nothing of what consumers dont want. Other smartphone companies (take this industry as an example since we're talking iPhones) slap in more memory, more expandable slots, faster chips, and more into their current and future products. But what does that technology really mean to the consumer? Do people really use expandable memory slots or do they just leave a memory chip in there forever? Does faster CPU really affect the utility of the phone? This is where Apple stands out. They put practical technology to use without the technical data people dont care about. |
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| VERTiG0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
It's beautiful, software works, doesn't crash, and Apple's marketing team is doing a good job as well. |
I would argue that the only reason Apple is doing well is due to their marketing team. I think Vista looks nicer, and I can't recall the last time I had something other than beta software crash on me. Mind you, the upkeep and maintenance of my system is probably far beyond that of the average user.
Oh yeah, Cisco Systems is suing Apple over the iPhone name, since apparently Apple jumped the gun regarding the copyright deal :) |
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| chinaboy1021 |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
I would argue that the only reason Apple is doing well is due to their marketing team. |
Only marketing team, you do realize marketing is a HUGE part of any company right? and no, marketing does not mean advertising. |
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| E2EK1EL |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Durafei |
What are you talking about? The Macs crashes too ... the infamouse beachball of death! |
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