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PS3 a "total disaster on so many levels" (pg. 2)
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| TeKnoHe@d2025 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
PS3 has so many problems I honestly can't see anything saving the console at this point. It was available at RETAIL as early as one week before Christmas, it's available EVERYWHERE now. There isn't an EB or Private game shop that doesn't have at least ONE PS3 sitting on a shelf collecting dust that I've been to. For a console that's supposed to be in 'high demand' and 'hard to get', nevermind the fact that it's had production problems and should have 'higher demand' and be 'harder to get', it's RIDICULOUSLY easy to find a PS3 now. But want to buy a DS or Wii? Forget it, those ship in and sell-out as fast as retailers can obtain them.
For a quick recap, just in case you forgot, lets look at everything Sony's screwed up on the PS3:
The launch - SUCKED! Enough said.
600 dollars, enough said - Ok, maybe not enough. The general attitude these days is that for good graphics, you get a 360, for fun and potential, you get a Wii. To stick it to Sony, you get both, and a game for each of them, for just more than the price of the PS3 on it's own.
The hulking black box that they want to pass off as a game console. Sony, guys, Microsoft already tried the "Bigger is better" idea, it doesn't work.
The controller - ignoring for a second the loss of it's rumble functionality, the dual-shock was already an outdated and obsolete controller as it is, to continue to use the now flawed design, remove the rumble feature, and also pull a bootleg copycat of Nintendo's motion-sensitivity, and it doesn't even work properly yet... man oh man, what a POS controller.
a racing game is a racing game, I'm 99% confident that Grand Turismo 5 is going to feel like GT4, but with 'tilt-sensitive' steering instead of a joystick. |
PS3 has problems? Do you have a PS3? My PS3 that I waited 2 days for on launch doesn't have a single problem, it runs flawless. It doesn't overheat like a 360 or die after a year like the 360 chipset.
Oh my, Sony has met demand and shipped over enough units (a million to be exact) to actually stock the shelves. GASP! :eyes: Sure Nintendo is selling units like crazy they've been in this the longest, and the Wii is a great system (I own one and I'm currently loving Zelda).
On to the launches, the 360 launch was as much of a disaster as the PS3 so I don't want to hear anybody defending Micro$oft. The Nintendo launch went over pretty well, but had Wii Sports not been packaged in and Zelda not a launch title I can't see anything that would warrant me owning a Wii to this point.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, $600 is alot but you get more than enough for your money. The Wii is going to look very dated in about 2 years, due to the slightly better than Gamecube graphics. They may be able to keep it fresh with innovative gameplay, a large factor in my opinion, but there is a large majority of casual gamers that base consoles off of graphical power.
Now for Micro$oft and the "Bigger is better" claim... Sure, they tried it and still got their ass handed to them by Sony. What did they do to resolve this? Released a more powerful system and abandoned the old one almost before their new console launched.
Controllers: Sure Sony's Sixaxis doesn't have rumble, but that doesn't go without reason. If you recall they had the sued out of them from another company that claimed Sony had stolen the technology. I don't have a problem with the Dualshock, I think it's a great controller. Anybody remember the Xbox "Big Mac" controller? Then Micro$oft designed a smaller version for the Japanese release to accommodate for their smaller hands, but what happened to the Xbox in Japan? That's right, it flopped like a beached whale and Micro$oft released this redesigned controller in North America so they could sell their unsold Japanese stock.
Racing games: Until somebody else can come up with a racing game that has the depth, realism, and information that a Gran Turismo game includes then I'm not even going to bother going into detail here. The PS3 will start to sell a few more units once MotorStorm releases in February. There's an 'original' racing game you're looking for. |
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| CONNERMAN2000 |
The fact of the matter is, if you buy a PS3, thanks to blu-ray, the system will likely last you many more years than the 360 and Wii.
Spam, you said it yourself...Sony might be ahead of their game..which is true, and you pointed out 3-4 years.
But what happens in 3-4 years with the 360? Is Microsoft going to abandon it just like they did the Xbox and release ANOTHER 400 dollar console for all of us to buy? Or how about the Wii? How long is it going to last before Nintendo releases yet another system for all of us to splurge on?
This is where I'm confident that Sony made the right decision; they are aware that the life expectancy of consoles is increasing. The PS2 is proving this right now...despite 3 next-gen competitors, according to recent NPD sales figures, it was STILL the best selling console of December.
Since I have a PS3 in my possession, I am confident that Sony is going to support it as long as its possible. MS ed me with the Xbox by announcing to the world that they were abandoning it. And Nintendo is always one to watch, considering they've released how many versions of the exact same Game Boy?
And who was the one that said a $600 product should be 'flying off the shelves'? Yes, maybe the PS3 is easy to find now, but does that mean its not selling at all? I just strolled through my local mall and saw absolutely no PS3's at both my Best Buy and EB Games (same was the case with the Wii). |
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| CONNERMAN2000 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
I doubt that'll fix the third party support, lack of good first party titles, rumble-less controllers, etc...
Also, they'd be losing a TON of money. While many might think Sony has a lot to throw around, I'd suggest looking into their recent revenues (10+ year) |
3rd party support was never a problem...the media is blowing the loss of PS3 exclusives way out of proportion, at least in my opinion. Assassin's Creed was never announced as a PS3 exclusive in the first place, and Grand Theft Auto was only a timed exclusive on the PS2. From what I hear, Virtua Fighter 5 is the only game that has really lost exclusivity, and that wont be coming to the 360 until well after the PS3 version hits shelves. And when you think about it, the PS3 is gaining just as much as its losing. Although the Elder Scroll's games werent exclusive to the 360 (they were available on the PC of course), they have never appeared on a Playstation platform until now, with Oblivion arriving in Feb. You also have Ninja Gaiden, also once an Xbox exclusive, now coming to the PS3. Also, Enchanted Arms, originally a 360 exclusive, was just recently announced for the PS3.
And criticizing the PS3 for its lack of first party titles THIS early is being a little too critical in my opinion. How many badass games were released on the 360 this early in its life cycle? Although I own PDZero, Ill admit it was a massive dissappointment, and Call of Duty 2 was a PC port (and comparatively the PS3 already has a Call of Duty game). The only REALLY badass 360 exclusive game released close to launch was Dead or Alive 4.
I can't defend the Sixaxis though, but I dont mind it.
Maybe I'm going into this a little too hardcore, but realistically, the people criticizing the PS3's shortcomings THIS early is just absurd. Either people were expecting the PS3 to take over the world right away, or everyone is just too spoiled by the already-established 360. Also, remember that developers bitched and moaned about making games on the PS2, saying that the Emotion Engine was full of headaches...now the PS2 is the most successful console of all-time. |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
Maybe I'm going into this a little too hardcore |
Bingo. Are you trying to defend a purchase or just equally okay with all consoles?
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
but realistically, the people criticizing the PS3's shortcomings THIS early is just absurd. |
How so?
That's all we're doing. Criticizing the PS3 from what we've seen and experienced. Over time, I'm sure the criticisms will change but for now, that's perfectly normal.
Just take it easy, lay back and game on.
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
emember that developers bitched and moaned about making games on the PS2, saying that the Emotion Engine was full of headaches... |
What "Emotion Engine" is this? :stongue:
Seriously. I still fail to believe that that thing exists.
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
now the PS2 is the most successful console of all-time. |
Debatable.
Also comes down to opinion in the end, I'd say. Statistics don't tell nearly enough to crown a victor. Plus, the definition of success is really up in the air here. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| man, my new PC is gonna outlive both the 360 & PS3 and its gonna run faster, look better, and make me coffee. sweet. |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
man, my new PC is gonna outlive both the 360 & PS3 and its gonna run faster, look better, and make me coffee. sweet. |
Man... If I had the money, I'd come over to your side. |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
man, my new PC is gonna outlive both the 360 & PS3 and its gonna run faster, look better, and make me coffee. sweet. |
in' LOL :haha: |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
Man... If I had the money, I'd come over to your side. |
would love to have you! youre like me, you love gaming- not systems. the anti/pro stuff in here lately has been giving me the right s. whats the point?
as ive stated before, the idiots that crow about the so-called demise of their next gen competition dont realise how much they depend upon that system for competition and quality future releases. get over it children! |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025
PS3 has problems? Do you have a PS3? My PS3 that I waited 2 days for on launch doesn't have a single problem, it runs flawless. It doesn't overheat like a 360 or die after a year like the 360 chipset.
Oh my, Sony has met demand and shipped over enough units (a million to be exact) to actually stock the shelves. GASP! :eyes: Sure Nintendo is selling units like crazy they've been in this the longest, and the Wii is a great system (I own one and I'm currently loving Zelda).
On to the launches, the 360 launch was as much of a disaster as the PS3 so I don't want to hear anybody defending Micro$oft. The Nintendo launch went over pretty well, but had Wii Sports not been packaged in and Zelda not a launch title I can't see anything that would warrant me owning a Wii to this point.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, $600 is alot but you get more than enough for your money. The Wii is going to look very dated in about 2 years, due to the slightly better than Gamecube graphics. They may be able to keep it fresh with innovative gameplay, a large factor in my opinion, but there is a large majority of casual gamers that base consoles off of graphical power.
Now for Micro$oft and the "Bigger is better" claim... Sure, they tried it and still got their ass handed to them by Sony. What did they do to resolve this? Released a more powerful system and abandoned the old one almost before their new console launched.
Controllers: Sure Sony's Sixaxis doesn't have rumble, but that doesn't go without reason. If you recall they had the sued out of them from another company that claimed Sony had stolen the technology. I don't have a problem with the Dualshock, I think it's a great controller. Anybody remember the Xbox "Big Mac" controller? Then Micro$oft designed a smaller version for the Japanese release to accommodate for their smaller hands, but what happened to the Xbox in Japan? That's right, it flopped like a beached whale and Micro$oft released this redesigned controller in North America so they could sell their unsold Japanese stock.
Racing games: Until somebody else can come up with a racing game that has the depth, realism, and information that a Gran Turismo game includes then I'm not even going to bother going into detail here. The PS3 will start to sell a few more units once MotorStorm releases in February. There's an 'original' racing game you're looking for. |
if you compared the hype that was leading to the PS3 with reality, saying it was a big letdown is an understatement |
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| CONNERMAN2000 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
Bingo. Are you trying to defend a purchase or just equally okay with all consoles? |
Well, you could say its both. I must defend the 600 dollars I spent, because I dont make much money. :( tho i also own a 360. Perhaps I'm trying too hard to turn this into a discussion. I know nobody is hating hard on the ps3 here, i'm just trying to make these threads a little more interesting to read. :toothless
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
How so?
That's all we're doing. Criticizing the PS3 from what we've seen and
experienced. Over time, I'm sure the criticisms will change but for now, that's perfectly normal.
Just take it easy, lay back and game on. |
For sure, i'm not trying to dramatize this place...just posting something opinionated and a little more interesting. unfortunetely RJT couldnt understand that and has perhaps left the gaming forum forever. ill just not post as much.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
What "Emotion Engine" is this?
Seriously. I still fail to believe that that thing exists. |
it was the name to the PS2's processor or something. Sony was touting it pretty hardcore back in 1999 when the ps2 was first announced.
| quote: | Originally posted by Yan
Debatable.
Also comes down to opinion in the end, I'd say. Statistics don't tell nearly enough to crown a victor. Plus, the definition of success is really up in the air here. |
Well, its definetely a question as to how many of those sold PS2's were replacements to broken ones, and you have to be sure to distinguish the number of PS2's 'shipped' vs. number of PS2's 'sold', |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
Well, you could say its both. I must defend the 600 dollars I spent, because I dont make much money. :( tho i also own a 360. Perhaps I'm trying too hard to turn this into a discussion. I know nobody is hating hard on the ps3 here, i'm just trying to make these threads a little more interesting to read. :toothless |
No worries there, buddy. Any input is good input at this point in time (as long as it's knowledgeable, of course). ;)
The PS3's time will come. I have no doubt about this. Sony is a powerhouse and I firmly believe that Kutaragi has some amazing people working under him; ones who are aiming for nothing but first place in the next generation of gaming. True gamers, I believe.
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
For sure, i'm not trying to dramatize this place...just posting something opinionated and a little more interesting. unfortunetely RJT couldnt understand that and has perhaps left the gaming forum forever. ill just not post as much. |
Like I says to all my gaming colleagues: "If you voice yourself, you'll never be disappointed in the end." Any side is a good side, in this case. Keep the opinions coming. :)
Come back RJT. ;-;
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
it was the name to the PS2's processor or something. Sony was touting it pretty hardcore back in 1999 when the ps2 was first announced. |
Haha. I'm fairly aware of what the actual item "was". However, the emotion engine that they pitched, pre-PS2, was totally different from what we ended up getting packed-in. Sony was, and still is, a BIG talker. So if you don't want to be disappointed, take each of their announcements with a spoonful of salt.
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
Well, its definetely a question as to how many of those sold PS2's were replacements to broken ones, and you have to be sure to distinguish the number of PS2's 'shipped' vs. number of PS2's 'sold', |
I see. So you believe that it's 'units sold' that defines success.
Well, all those factors you listed must definitely be taken into account. I haven't glanced over the latest figures but I definitely see the PS2 being sold for the remainder of the year, if not more, and doing strong, in sales. |
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
But what happens in 3-4 years with the 360? Is Microsoft going to abandon it just like they did the Xbox and release ANOTHER 400 dollar console for all of us to buy? Or how about the Wii? How long is it going to last before Nintendo releases yet another system for all of us to splurge on? |
Of course, that's what consoles are about. You use them, then you buy something new in a few years. They aren't made to be upgraded. |
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