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PS3 a "total disaster on so many levels" (pg. 4)
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Let me make it clear, I'm not anti-Sony at all, but I DO pay careful attention to the videogame market. I have been since the SNES/Sega war of the golden age, and things currently don't look good for Sony, in fact, they look outright HORRIBLE. It's entirely possible they can turn things around, but they have ONE YEAR to do it, not 2, not 3, 1. Now that all 3 systems are out, the people who've been sitting around playing the 'wait and see' game will know what's what by Christmas 2007, and if PS3 isn't in demand by then, it never will be. |
I agree with majority of what you say. Like you I've been a fan of the video games industry since the SNES days. But why do you say that Sony has ONE year to turn it all around? There's no way in hell they could just turn it around in 1 year.
Remember that Sony released the PS3 with a longer lifespan in mind. So while today, it may look like a failure, in 3-4 years once it reaches a mass market price, it could really start to pick up then.
Of course, I'm having a hard time believing that the PS3 will pick up in popularity in 4 years, seeing as thats around the time that the "WiiHD" and Xbox "720" will be on the horizon.
edit now that i think about it though, you're right. If by this time next year the PS3 doesn't gain any ground on the 360 or Wii then I have a hard time seeing it climbing back into number 1. The 360 will probably be at 11-12 million units by next year, whereas the Wii should have sold around the same, if not more. If the PS3 doesn't pick up in sales by then, then it'll have a real tough time climbing back into the console war. |
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| verndogs |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
i've given up on this section to tell you the truth
there is NOTHING helpful except people bickering
i'll stick to the psp thread and please keep all that argument out of there, i don't need to read that anymore.
people say to relax when others criticize the ps3, why cant those criticizing just relax and stop putting the ps3 in the light like that - same different spin |
what do you expect when fanboys of opposing machines collide? :clown: |
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| kid nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by verndogs
what do you expect when fanboys of opposing machines collide? :clown: |
if thats the expectation then why did we vouch for the creation of the gaming section and the tech section? people find any reason to bicker and it's disgusting to see it on a message board
i looked at this section with the intentions of creating a place where we can talk about what games people were playing, tips and tricks, share gamer knowledge you know common , not heavily opinionated debates. that's cor crap to be honest, and it's drudged its way into the gamers section
it was real at one point...good example is Yan's DS Review-A-Day. Kid actually wanted to contribute something positive to help yall out, no one contributes anything positive except heavily opinionated bashing....typical cor retardedness if you ask me
just game on |
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| trunks1022 |
can i get a skeet skeet?
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| Fledz |
| quote: | Originally posted by CONNERMAN2000
I see your point, and its a good one. But realistically, you have to consider this: how much money does it cost to create a new product? how much money will sony make as a result of creating said product? what i'm asking here is, wouldnt it be more profitable to continue to support an already-released and already-established console rather than release a new one altogether and go through that whole 'lose-money-on-every-single-console-sold' shananigans all over again? of course, im not Mr. Cleo, and you could very well be calling out Sony's bluff here. |
Check Spam's reply below yours, he sums it up well.
It will last, but no for games. Will you be happy still playing comparitively poor games compared to games in 4-5 years? Of course as classics will always be classics, but you will still want a better system with better games. And developers won't make games for older systems. So when the developers leave to develop games for a new system, how long can it last?
In 3-4 years you will see a new PS, Xbox and Nintendo, maybe another new system too. It's normal, and yes I am calling their bluff because every console company does it and they always will. 10 year shelf life, lol what a joke. |
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| TeKnoHe@d2025 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
600 dollars is a bargain if you actually give a about Blu-Ray. I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of gamers and casual gamers want a gaming console to be centered around games, with the Blu-Ray player an option like the HD DVD drive for the 360. |
The difference between the Blu-ray and 360s HD-DVD is that the PS3 will actually use the Blu-ray ROM for games where the 360s HD-DVD drive is just an add-on video player. Developers will be able to pack huge amounts of compressed or even uncompressed textures onto these Blu-ray discs.
12-layer DVD-ROM or a Blu-ray ROM? I think I know which is setup for the years down the road. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025
12-layer DVD-ROM or a Blu-ray ROM? I think I know which is setup for the years down the road. |
HD DVD. It's cheaper, backwards compatible, and is gaining more and more support. If I'm a developer and I have to choose between an expensive format that offers me some great features that I don't need, and a cheaper format that offers me some of the same great features; then I'm gonna go with the cheaper format. Also, keep in mind the end user. Blu Ray isn't backwards compatible to play your whole DVD collection, wheras HD DVD is. I just don't see that many people throwing away their whole DVD collection just because Blu Ray is around and offers fully uncompressed video. Most people don't even have their standard DVD players connected to component. They sure as hell don't care about uncompressed video.
For the tech-geeks blu ray is obviously better, because it IS the better format. But the "marketer" in me just can't see blu ray winning the format war. It just wouldn't make any sense. And this is why the PS3 will not take over the world like Sony is hoping it will. |
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| trunks1022 |
| quote: | Originally posted by trunks1022
can i get a skeet skeet?
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guess no one wants a skeet skeet. |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
it's too difficult for developers to use, |
IMO, this is why we're starting to see complaints from 3rd party developers. The PS3, compared to current architecture standards, is WAY ahead of its time. The potential of this system is incredible, from a strictly computing power perspective. However, business wise, this makes no sense, as due to the architecture, porting games from one console onto the ps3 is difficult, while trying to maximize the benefits of the system design.
Points listed in this thread regarding the detracts, such as Blu ray, lame launch, and so forth are very weak points imo with no real substance behind them.
If developers chose to be exclusive to Sony, there would be fewer complaints as the kinks of working with the development engine would be fewer the longer developers used it. Granted, to take full advantage of the system, it would take much more time to code games for it, but the end results could be, without fail, spectacular. If designed properly, the PS3 could produce visuals that would never be rivaled by the 360. |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
For the tech-geeks blu ray is obviously better, because it IS the better format. But the "marketer" in me just can't see blu ray winning the format war. It just wouldn't make any sense. And this is why the PS3 will not take over the world like Sony is hoping it will. |
I gotta say, I agree with this point. Key word in your post "marketer" says it all. Its all about marketing and distribution. The PS3 is a far superior and more powerful hardware platform, but in business lingo, that translates to longer times for game releases, less games being ported to the console, and thus less revenue. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
I gotta say, I agree with this point. Key word in your post "marketer" says it all. Its all about marketing and distribution. The PS3 is a far superior and more powerful hardware platform, but in business lingo, that translates to longer times for game releases, less games being ported to the console, and thus less revenue. |
Exactly. Blu Ray may be superior but HD DVD gives more value. In the end when you're a business (whether it be movie studio, video game developer/publisher), you're gonna go for the format that gives you the best bang for your buck without alienating a large part of your market. HD DVD gives you all that. |
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| DarkAngel |
| quote: | Originally posted by trunks1022
guess no one wants a skeet skeet. |
I'll take 'er.
skeet skeet |
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