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| Frenchie |
| quote: | Originally posted by clubamerica
Yeah right and the malboro dosent market to kids. who exactly do u think is their agemarket 30-50 year olds? its kids 12-24. |
It's 17-28 , but thanks for playing.
17 is still minor but old enough to know better, if raised properly of coarse. |
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| OurManFlint |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
Um no.
If you don't like RAP, that's cool, a lot of people don't like Rap. But it doesn't mean that it sucks as a genre and is the cause of corrupting the youth of America. If the youth fall for or are ignorant enough to believe what Mr. Fiddy cent is rapping about, then they are not properly educated and taught that lyrics are lyrics and rappers get paid to write what they write. Ya Music is powerful and can have a very strong effect on you, but to the point of corrupting someone and turning them into monsters, no. That's like blaming all the school shootings on Punk and heavy metal music. |
Um yes
From my experience, the trashiest kids in America are white kids who glorify bad rap music. They are the ones who get arrested, start fights, get girls pregnant, etc. You have to remember that rap music is very popular in the US, it is played in the moajority of clubs/bars, it is constantly shown on TV. I'm not homogenizing rap or hip-hop. There is a lot that I think is really good and actually took talent to make. But the majority of it out there, and the majority of what is exposed to the public, glorifies trashy things.
And yes, many of the youth of America are dumb enough to be influenced what 50 Cent is rapping about. He is exposed living the "good life." He has money, women, Ice, etc. He flaunts that wealth, along with the majorty of bad rappers. You don't think kids will be influenced by this? I can't tell you how many times I've been to the mall and seen huge groups of high school white kids dressing like they are gangsters, or seen people I went to high school with that listened to bad rap and then end up in jail or get a girl pregnant. It's not the music, it's the lifestyle that the kids want. It's like ol' 50 said, "Get rich or die trying." Ya, that won't influence anybody. |
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| clubamerica |
| quote: | Originally posted by OurManFlint
Um yes
From my experience, the trashiest kids in America are white kids who glorify bad rap music. They are the ones who get arrested, start fights, get girls pregnant, etc. You have to remember that rap music is very popular in the US, it is played in the moajority of clubs/bars, it is constantly shown on TV. I'm not homogenizing rap or hip-hop. There is a lot that I think is really good and actually took talent to make. But the majority of it out there, and the majority of what is exposed to the public, glorifies trashy things.
And yes, many of the youth of America are dumb enough to be influenced what 50 Cent is rapping about. He is exposed living the "good life." He has money, women, Ice, etc. He flaunts that wealth, along with the majorty of bad rappers. You don't think kids will be influenced by this? I can't tell you how many times I've been to the mall and seen huge groups of high school white kids dressing like they are gangsters, or seen people I went to high school with that listened to bad rap and then end up in jail or get a girl pregnant. It's not the music, it's the lifestyle that the kids want. It's like ol' 50 said, "Get rich or die trying." Ya, that won't influence anybody. |
thanks OMF. finally somebody gets the point. not like mr frenchfries and his malcontent rants. |
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| medinaM5 |
| yeah, but blaming a majority of the kids issues nowadays on the simple fact that they like rap music? i think its bull to say that if some bitch got pregnant or some kid shot another kid, that its because of rap. surely it can be influential to an extent, but one genre of music causing all this? please |
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| OurManFlint |
And about abortion, I'm all for it. Why should an irresponsible parent be forced to take of a child. A parent could send a child of to become an orphan, but without abortion, how full do you think they are going to get? How many kids will grow up without a home?
People will . You can't stop that. If you outlaw abortions, more kids will be born, more irresponsible parents will up their kids, orphans will have a surplus of kids, and women will go get abortions illegally in dangerous underground surgery.
If you have abortions, many irresposible people who should never have kids will never have to bring a human into a ed up life, there would be less orphans, women can have the abortion in a safe clinic, etc. We live in a time where people are ing more, now we as a society have to come to terms with this so we don't a population of a generation who had a ed up childhood. |
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| HaeD |
| quote: | Originally posted by medinaM5
but one genre of music causing all this? please |
not causing, influencing a little. |
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| Frenchie |
| quote: | Originally posted by OurManFlint
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You're right to a certain extent.
These celebrities are not promoting it, in ads going," Listen to me and you shall have my life and live how I live, wear what I wear and what I and get away with it" No! If parental warning come on packages than that should give the clue and idea that, " Oh, hmmm maybe I shouldn't take this too seriously if it's something that my parents should be approving. Did I buy " Parental advisory " stickered CD's as a kid? Yes, but I didn't go running around like a hoodlum thinking I could have the life that my singer/rapper was saying in the lyrics. I knew better. It's not reality that these artists live anymore, it's fantasy. Yes I can see why the kids wouldn't want it, but for 90% of them it is unachievable and they should be told this.
But you can't blame problems on this music, no. |
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| Frenchie |
| quote: | Originally posted by clubamerica
thanks OMF. finally somebody gets the point. not like mr frenchfries and his malcontent rants. |
Oh shut up!
and it's Ms. Frenchfries and her very well proven rants to you. |
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| OurManFlint |
| quote: | Originally posted by medinaM5
yeah, but blaming a majority of the kids issues nowadays on the simple fact that they like rap music? i think its bull to say that if some bitch got pregnant or some kid shot another kid, that its because of rap. surely it can be influential to an extent, but one genre of music causing all this? please |
No, rap music doesn't, but bad rap music does. I don't like singling it all out. There is a lot of good rap/hip-hop out there. But the majority of the kids I knew in Junior high and High school who listened to bad rap around the lines of 50 Cent, grew up to be really trashy. They were the ones who got arrested, got girls pregnant, sold drugs, and just did bad things. I'm only pointing out the observation I made. I can't recall anyone who did any of those things and didn't listent o trashy rap music, not one. |
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| medinaM5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by OurManFlint
No, rap music doesn't, but bad rap music does. I don't like singling it all out. There is a lot of good rap/hip-hop out there. But the majority of the kids I knew in Junior high and High school who listened to bad rap around the lines of 50 Cent, grew up to be really trashy. They were the ones who got arrested, got girls pregnant, sold drugs, and just did bad things. I'm only pointing out the observation I made. I can't recall anyone who did any of those things and didn't listent o trashy rap music, not one. |
yeah, well said |
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| Frenchie |
| quote: | Originally posted by OurManFlint
No, rap music doesn't, but bad rap music does. I don't like singling it all out. There is a lot of good rap/hip-hop out there. But the majority of the kids I knew in Junior high and High school who listened to bad rap around the lines of 50 Cent, grew up to be really trashy. They were the ones who got arrested, got girls pregnant, sold drugs, and just did bad things. I'm only pointing out the observation I made. I can't recall anyone who did any of those things and didn't listent o trashy rap music, not one. |
You're ting me right? Maybe it is only USA, but here I went to school with a bunch of metal heads and most of my graduating class is either, in lock up, 1 or 2 kids, on welfare, and pretty grungy dirty, so it's not just BAD rap music, or music at all that is to be blamed for this. But yes, I see your point.
The only person here who doesn't have a valid argument to back up their statements is clubamerica, everyone else is right in their case. |
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| OurManFlint |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
I knew better. |
A lot of kids don't. You know which ones these are? The kids who were born to irresponsible parents, irresponsible parents who didn't give a what their kids were doing after school, or didn't teach them general things about life. |
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