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hypothetically if you were raped (pg. 7)
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| SuspicionVandit |
you could always just con God so you can abort the baby, if that's the issue.
like, you are raped and then you are told you are pregnant.
so you build a giant metallic shelter in your backyard that doesn't allow radio waves for God's supersonic (idk what this word means) ears to hear, then install a landline telephone inside, but make sure a PI has investigated to make sure there are no wiretaps.
now, do the exact same thing to your friends backyard, but don't tell them because you'd have to build another shelter to tell him the plan, because if you just say it, even if you whisper, god will hear and te plan will be foiled.
tell him to go to his shelter at a specific time with a boombox and play some drowning out music. call him from your shelter and tell them you want, in 2 months, to put a small amount to laundry detergant in one of your 2-liter coke bottles.
time is important. if God sees you going into a shelter that can't be monitored and a week later, your baby is dead, FOILED. also, in 2 months you'd probably forget about the coke bottle and you won't be crying like a fag before you drink the bottle and then..FOILED. plus, you get a pretty good "I'M SHOCKED" face when the doctor says your baby is dead. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Taranis
You can't really put it that way, it's not as if by aborting the baby you designate them an alternative existance which is inferior to this one. They simply don't come into existance at all.
If you're going to take that line of argument, why don't you just go the whole 9 yards and claim contraception is wrong because it denies children the opportunity to be born or something. It's exactly the same thing until the baby actually reaches consciousness, it's just a matter of where you halt the process. Should we have a moral issue with people not having sex every night as well, since every time you don't , you lose another opportunity to save a poor baby from nonexistance. Where do you draw the line before it becomes our moral duty to bring as many babies as possible into existance. |
This is a ridiculous argument and completely different than what I said. There is a big difference between not creating something and creating something and then destroying it.
If you use birth control the baby never comes into existance. If you abort a baby you created it, it comes into existance, and then you kill it before it can be born. Have you ever seen one of those 4D ultrasounds? You can make any horse argument you want but that is a ing living person inside a woman and if you abort it you killed it. Its no different than if I put a gun to your head and killed you. |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
To be perfectly honest, I don’t really think that I’m cut out for pregnancy and motherhood with babies/infants. I am way better with children and teenagers and I honestly can see myself adopting a couple of kids who are grown already, instead of a newborn or having my own. |
I was exactly like you until my daughter was born. Its amazing how fast your life changes and you become perfectly able to handle that stuff.
I do have lots of respect for women who adopt unwanted children rather than have children of their own. They are definately no less of a mom just because they didn't carry that child. Really, its good for you because being pregnant does nothing good at all for the female body both during and after the pregnancy. |
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| Taranis |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
This is a ridiculous argument and completely different than what I said. There is a big difference between not creating something and creating something and then destroying it.
If you use birth control the baby never comes into existance. If you abort a baby you created it, it comes into existance, and then you kill it before it can be born. Have you ever seen one of those 4D ultrasounds? You can make any horse argument you want but that is a ing living person inside a woman and if you abort it you killed it. Its no different than if I put a gun to your head and killed you. |
I guess it comes down to where you believe life begins. Honestly I wouldn't be qualified to try and say when a baby can first be called 'alive', but I know it's possible to abort well before that point. Personally, I wouldn't have an issue with a child being aborted up until the point when it's almost ready to come out, but that's just me. It may be alive in a sense, but it's certainly not an aware human being. Killing? Possibly. Killing an intelligent, aware, human being? No. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by XaNaX
I was exactly like you until my daughter was born. Its amazing how fast your life changes and you become perfectly able to handle that stuff.
I do have lots of respect for women who adopt unwanted children rather than have children of their own. They are definately no less of a mom just because they didn't carry that child. Really, its good for you because being pregnant does nothing good at all for the female body both during and after the pregnancy. |
you're a chick???
you have a daughter?
wow, i totally thought u were a dude.
anyway...i disagree about abortion being the same as pointing a gun to someone's head and killing them:rolleyes:
oh and please be advised that i NEVER use the "rolleyes" haha |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
anyway...i disagree about abortion being the same as pointing a gun to someone's head and killing them:rolleyes:
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| Marc Summers |
I still don't understand why people are talking as if abortion is the only option.
Pregnancy isn't instant. It takes a few days for our little friends to swim and get to the egg. |
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| Slylee |
exactly.
morning after pill.
end of thread.
lol |
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| Taranis |
| quote: | | I still don't understand why people are talking as if abortion is the only option. |
Because that takes all the fun out of hypothetical discussion :( |
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| Inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
exactly.
morning after pill.
end of thread.
lol |
qft |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
you're a chick???
you have a daughter?
wow, i totally thought u were a dude.
anyway...i disagree about abortion being the same as pointing a gun to someone's head and killing them:rolleyes:
oh and please be advised that i NEVER use the "rolleyes" haha |
No, I'm a guy, but I saw the 9 months of hell that pregnancy is. I saw the delivery and I'll say this, if I was the one who had to go through that I'd sure as hell be adopting. Plus I have a couple friends that recently had babies and I hear them talk about the stretch marks, sagging skin, ect that you get after and even though some people get it worse than others none of them have said "my body is just as good as it was before I had the baby".
And FYI: I'm completely pro-choice, but the people who choose to have one are still killing a human being. The only exception I can see is maybe with the morning after pill when you are still just talking a bunch of cells. Can anyone seriously argue that you don't become you until the second you come out of your mom? If that were the case then what about babies who are born 3 or 4 months premature? Are they different than a baby that is still in its mother 3 months away from birth? If you get raped and you are too lazy to go get a morning after pill and then abort the child later then you are a sack of . |
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| Taranis |
| quote: | | And FYI: I'm completely pro-choice, but the people who choose to have one are still killing a human being. The only exception I can see is maybe with the morning after pill when you are still just talking a bunch of cells. Can anyone seriously argue that you don't become you until the second you come out of your mom? If that were the case then what about babies who are born 3 or 4 months premature? Are they different than a baby that is still in its mother 3 months away from birth? |
No, I think the point is more that there's a certain point at which 'you become you', that occurs at some stage during pregnancy, and before that point an abortion is nothing close actually killing a live human being with thoughts and feelings and self awareness. |
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