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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
bzz wrong.
ps, i have lived with those 3 disorders and more. I have been on the meds, i have been strapped to the bed, i have been in the hospitals and it sounds to me like you are feeling guilty for a friend/family who killed themselves and you must now redeem yourself by "spreading the awareness" or, maybe you have a history with these illness and you must find a way to blame someone other than yourself for such a tortuous time of your life.
lemme tell you something buddy, I've been under both circumstances with myself and my ex.
Nobody exactly is to blame for getting mental illnesses like bipoar, schizo, socialphobia, "the crazy", hallucinations, etc. Sometimes parents can be dicks, sometimes high school can feel like , sometimes people are born horribly ugly or fat and can't deal with other people and that affects their psych 10-20 years down the line. The world is the world. Hell, one day i just woke up and i became afraid of human interaction. i hated going to school because i knew i was going to throw up every 30 minutes. became depressed, bla bla bla, admitted, bla bla bla, whatever. hey, its that shy guy, lets name him '******'. the world is the world.
you go to the hospital. you tell them you are depressed? PROZAC. you tell them you hear voices? PROZAC. you refuse to speak? PROZAC. Lemme tell you something, you go to the hospital and you feel much better. why? because you are away from your environment, doesn't matter if they give you meds or sugar cubes, you feel better because you are extracted from your world- home, family, friends, enemies, etc.
and what do the statistics say? Simply put, anyone that gets ed up so bad to get put in the hospital COMES BACK. re-assured.
Someone kills themselves before they return? "doctor: oops, wrong meds, lolz." someone's insurance can't pay for a proper evaluation? "doctor: PROZAC. kthxnbyte"
Years went by, kept taking my carousel of meds. Prozac, Seroquil, Paxil, Remeron, Welbutrin, Lithium, +more"
lemme tell you something about ing meds. they are drugs. they have chemicals inside and they do to you.
what happens when you take XTC? real XTC. It works.
Smoke weed? It works
Drink some Robotussin? It works.
Take anti-depressants? you have to have FAITH in the meds, or else it will not work. FAITH? FAITH? wtf. faith and medicine?
I don't expect friends to just grow out of the ground when I am taking Paxil and suddenly i'm mr social. but , why didn't i ever just ing laugh or smile? kthx anti-depressant, suck my dick
Meds are the most reliable method? this is how i stopped being depressed.
i worked for that
people in Theresa's case and the cases outlined in other posts are a sad form of suicide. This type of suicide is in a grey area. Impulse. People suddenly are thrown into a world of and its like "omg, life can't get any worse. kill myself." They are unfamiliar with this whole "feel way way way way down" state. If they kill themselves, its like OMG PWNED.
However, if they fail to realize that there is something out there called "people who help," then they deserve to get PWNED. And people who help don't give meds. They sit down at a scheduled time and talk. talk talk talk. they talk, you talk, you interact and you get off your chest. you laugh, cry and create a bond with someone that didn't know you from the start. they aren't the father than ed your ass, they aren't the kids at school that called you a fagsucker, they aren't the friends backstabbed you at the N*Sync concert.
We are all in an altered state of mind when we are suffering from mental illnesses, but we are still fully conscious of ourselves and believe me, years down the line, we look back and say "damn, I made some stupid decisions back then."
to summarize, if you don't believe in time machines while you are suffering from mental illness, then you are fully aware to get some ing help. |
I wouldn't mind replying to this if it weren't all incoherent babble. And no, no one dear to me has comitted suicide. I have struggled with it, but that is also not the reason why I wrote my post. I am a student of psychology and I feel that people should be more informed when it comes to a subject this seriously. The media does a good job at distorting anything related to my field of study.
In reply to the last part of your post, you are incorrect. Just because you could, or a couple of people you know could, it does not mean everyone can. The experience of having a mental illness is different for each person. You can not gauge how debilitating it will be for someone from your personal experience. Your argument amounts to nothing. I have no time to read through the rest of your post, it's disorganized and incoherent. |
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| SuspicionVandit |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
The experience of having a mental illness is different for each person. |
precisely why the field is bull and meds are a guessing game as of 2007 as they have been for the past 10 zillion years.
I hope the cure for cancer isn't this disorganized
and yes, this is how ed up people talk. but hey, mercedez benz > the philosophy of aide
+the people on the bottom of the chain at these hospitals, the nurses do a load more work on bringing a guy back to sanity than any psychiatrist or psychologist will ever accomplish in their lifetime.
yeah, go ahead, study the brain. study the wonders of seratonin. release wonder drugs. and suppress the follies of prozac users taking their own anti-depressant to commit suicide. o wait, paxil is glorious! you can't OD on it! uh oh, new study suggest anti-depressants may lead to more substantial suicidal thinking, and it sorta sucks because knives, guns, bridges are still rampant! yeah, ing great. great job! hooray for psychs! hooray for the FDA! hooray for mercedez benz! |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
precisely why the field is bull and meds are a guessing game as of 2007 as they have been for the past 10 zillion years.
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Wrong, meds are what works best on average, which is why they are widely used. From what you say, you just happen to have a ty clinician/hospital experience. Meds are supposed to be used in conjuction with some sort of therapy, be it behavioral, cognitive, psychodynamic, whatever. Each patients case is to be assessed and then a tailored plan developed. One of the issues of why this isn't being done is not that the field of psychology is disorganized, it's anything but. The problem is that your own nice capitalist government doesnt dish out enough money and insurance won't pay for the length and diversity of treatment needed to help a patient successfully overcome his situation.
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+the people on the bottom of the chain at these hospitals, the nurses do a load more work on bringing a guy back to sanity than any psychiatrist or psychologist will ever accomplish in their lifetime.
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Refer to above, no funding equals less quality care. Plain and simple. The methods to treat depression/bipolar disorder/schizophrenia and the related risk of suicide is there. The problem is in the implementation. It's like trying to build a plane with half of the money you need, how can you expect the plane to fly?
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yeah, go ahead, study the brain. study the wonders of seratonin. release wonder drugs. and suppress the follies of prozac users taking their own anti-depressant to commit suicide. o wait, paxil is glorious! you can't OD on it! uh oh, new study suggest anti-depressants may lead to more substantial suicidal thinking, and it sorta sucks because knives, guns, bridges are still rampant! yeah, ing great. great job! hooray for psychs! hooray for the FDA! hooray for mercedez benz! |
It doesn't leave substantial suicidal thoughts. This phenomena has already been explain. What happens is this: when you're severely depressed you lack the drive/motivation/energy to commit suicide. You get on meds, you feel slightly better, but not you're still depressed because they don't completely kick in on average until 4 weeks after starting treatment. You find yourself in a mix state where you're energy levels have gone up but still feel like . You still have a bleak outlook on life, and now you have the energy/motivation to commit suicide. This is a dangerous period and good clinicians know that they have to be extra careful until the drugs kick in. Usually you can couple the drug therapy with ECT (which is harmless now a days) and extensive psychodynamic/behavioral/cognitive therapy until the drugs kick in. After the drugs kick in you still have to continue treatment to prevent recurrence of the suicidal episodes. Now refer to the above paragraphs again to understand why this comprehensive sets of treatment are not happening.
Now as I said before, no one here has brought forward any valid points. It's all myths, half-truths, and misunderstood situations. So why don't you go out and get a f'ing clue, specially if you're prone to have suicidal episodes. |
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| SuspicionVandit |
did you know scientology textbooks also refer to their scriptures as the truth?
serially, you have never ever ever ever ing read the documents that directly linked a higher tendency for suicidal behavior (cutting, burning, bipolar disorders) to the use of anti-depressants? This was AFTER the prozac lawsuit and AFTER the Paxil lawsuit. Ever heard of the term Sheeple? Basically, in this discussion, these would be the consumers who buy every WONDER drug they hear about on digg.com or consumerreports.org that will give them unlimited orgasms, clear them of depression FOREVER, and ressurrect their dead family*
Psych/FDA are the shepards, we are the sheep. we need guidance, we need somoene to CURE US! PLZ, give me a CURE!. "FDA has annouced immortality drug". YES YES, FDA RULES! give me that drug!
O MY DICK FELL OFF!
/FDA recalls drug to prevent lawsuits/ /still gets sued anyways/
(* may require 2 AAA batteries)
| quote: | | ECT(which is harmless these days) |
plz read percentage of success rate in ECT, and don't refer to your FoxNews Medical Guide, plz, kthxbyte
| quote: | | So why don't you go out and get a f'ing clue, specially if you're prone to have suicidal episodes. |
actually....no. plz get the 18,000 george washington cocks you've sucked to spend on your education on enlightening the world on the mysteries of the mind and realize only 1 person wins from psycho-analysis: the industry, the economy, mercedez benz+bmw.
do you know why there is such a backlash against pysch-medications? i guess, in your opinion, it's because we just love Bill O'Rielly! omg, he is so balanced! i would never watch another reporter but him! 4reslz!
it wasn't until i told my doctors to off with their ing "hmmm, i guess that med wasn't working, lolz" that i was able to take their chains off my balls and move on with my god damn life. |
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| Abercrombie |
| I was on Wellbutrin one winter, then Prozac another, then Effexor this last. Wellbutrin made me dislike smoking, Prozac was OK, and Effexor had extremely bad side-effects, glad I'm off, and hope I don't get back on them next fall. |
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| _Ocean_Drive_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
Effexor |
Sounds like a c0re drug?! Effex0rz!1!one!!
Seriously though, I'd like to add my incoherent babble to this discussion (and probably the best discussion in the core for a while).
I find some people's opinions difficult to swallow e.g. "no sympathy" for people etc. Where is the compassion? It's one thing to have this opinion, but I expect it's another entirely when you're there yourself. I admit that people do not always help themselves, but by that logic, we should just let the rest of the world die of starvation etc. I may be missing the point here, but there needs to be some compassion from some of you.
I've gone through some low points in my life, but I've always got through them with mental strength, and NO drugs (except the insulin ;)). I just think people don't have mental strength, or know how to think positive, and resources should be made available to tackle this.
I had a friend who was and is on Prozac, and it was the only thing that made her happy. I think it's wrong for someone to have to be on a drug in order to make them happy, and I think doctors (esp in the US) are all too ready to push drugs onto patients. People need psychiatric help, not drugs, because with drugs, the patient doesn't win in that as soon as they come off they'll be depressed. |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
did you know scientology textbooks also refer to their scriptures as the truth?
serially, you have never ever ever ever ing read the documents that directly linked a higher tendency for suicidal behavior (cutting, burning, bipolar disorders) to the use of anti-depressants? This was AFTER the prozac lawsuit and AFTER the Paxil lawsuit. Ever heard of the term Sheeple? Basically, in this discussion, these would be the consumers who buy every WONDER drug they hear about on digg.com or consumerreports.org that will give them unlimited orgasms, clear them of depression FOREVER, and ressurrect their dead family*
Psych/FDA are the shepards, we are the sheep. we need guidance, we need somoene to CURE US! PLZ, give me a CURE!. "FDA has annouced immortality drug". YES YES, FDA RULES! give me that drug!
O MY DICK FELL OFF!
/FDA recalls drug to prevent lawsuits/ /still gets sued anyways/
(* may require 2 AAA batteries)
plz read percentage of success rate in ECT, and don't refer to your FoxNews Medical Guide, plz, kthxbyte
actually....no. plz get the 18,000 george washington cocks you've sucked to spend on your education on enlightening the world on the mysteries of the mind and realize only 1 person wins from psycho-analysis: the industry, the economy, mercedez benz+bmw.
do you know why there is such a backlash against pysch-medications? i guess, in your opinion, it's because we just love Bill O'Rielly! omg, he is so balanced! i would never watch another reporter but him! 4reslz!
it wasn't until i told my doctors to off with their ing "hmmm, i guess that med wasn't working, lolz" that i was able to take their chains off my balls and move on with my god damn life. |
Wow, the sad part is that you cant even come up with decent insults. For all the rambling you do you have yet to raise one contentious point. All my arguments still stand and are backed by empirical data. If you want me to give you link to the studies, you're welcome to ask. And all the backlash against psychoactive medications is due to ignorance. Even if there are risk associated with older and some current antidepressants they still provide the most positive results. Why don't you construct an argument and then maybe I can address your points, in the meantime welcome to my ignore list. |
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| igottaknow |
| when i heard about this story i hoped it was nou who offed himself :haha: |
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| venomX |
| quote: | Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
Sounds like a c0re drug?! Effex0rz!1!one!!
Seriously though, I'd like to add my incoherent babble to this discussion (and probably the best discussion in the core for a while).
I find some people's opinions difficult to swallow e.g. "no sympathy" for people etc. Where is the compassion? It's one thing to have this opinion, but I expect it's another entirely when you're there yourself. I admit that people do not always help themselves, but by that logic, we should just let the rest of the world die of starvation etc. I may be missing the point here, but there needs to be some compassion from some of you.
I've gone through some low points in my life, but I've always got through them with mental strength, and NO drugs (except the insulin ;)). I just think people don't have mental strength, or know how to think positive, and resources should be made available to tackle this.
I had a friend who was and is on Prozac, and it was the only thing that made her happy. I think it's wrong for someone to have to be on a drug in order to make them happy, and I think doctors (esp in the US) are all too ready to push drugs onto patients. People need psychiatric help, not drugs, because with drugs, the patient doesn't win in that as soon as they come off they'll be depressed. |
I agree. Medications are only an initial response to help the patient get over the episode. If the patient is balanced enough that therapy has a positive effect on them then there is no need for medication. But some people are completely unresponsive to therapy. What to do to them? Just let them kill themselves? Obviously medication alone does not solve the problem. There has to be a continuation in the form of some therapy, but the initial depression that led to the suicidal episode has to be overcome first and medications are the best solution available right now. ECT is another short-term fix. Initial treatment for suicidal patients is usually to get them over the episode, and then engage in therapy so that they can live without medication. |
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| SuspicionVandit |
| quote: | Originally posted by venomX
Wow, the sad part is that you cant even come up with decent insults. For all the rambling you do you have yet to raise one contentious point. All my arguments still stand and are backed by empirical data. If you want me to give you link to the studies, you're welcome to ask. And all the backlash against psychoactive medications is due to ignorance. Even if there are risk associated with older and some current antidepressants they still provide the most positive results. Why don't you construct an argument and then maybe I can address your points, in the meantime welcome to my ignore list. |
good, because you're a fag
1. you're a student in a class that uses outdated textbooks and horribly outdated papers on the current state of SSRIs and the plethora of mainstram placebos. please research the "Oops, Mistake!"s of the FDA, the settled lawsuit against prozac, the newer ongoing lawsuit on prozac, the currrent lawsuit on paxil, as well as the overall lawsuit against the FDA for being $$$ fags.
2. you are learning from a teacher who, of course glorifies, his field of study, much like English teachers glorify the worst langauge ever constructed because it gives them a job
3. as i said, if you have never heard of the link between anti-depressants and suicidal idealogy, please consider becoming a correspondant for FoxNews, because they love ignoring the out of "The Obvious and Easily Available." Obama is osama and a madrasssa is a terrorist camp? It was probably the biggest paper on SSRIs in the past 10 years, but hey, you have me on ignore, this is only a forum. wait 'til you meet the family member of someone who rightly blames the doctor for his friend suicide. i mean, you only prescribed him the drug also known as "long term suicide"
i hope the shiny rims on your future Bentley overcome the fact that you will have 9 to 10 patients who will continue to fall down a spiral until they either learn to accept it that medications are essential to proper functioning in life, die or tell you to off with your biased , which you will say "kthxnbyte" and move onto the next patient who is willing to pay you $75 an hour to give them drugs.
the key to solving is to ING solve it, not supress it. scientists find ways to suppress problems ON THEIR WAY to solving it. Psychologists are just there for the money. They are experts in a field that has no substantial ground, direction or clarity.
i didn't come here to insult. it just pisses me the off that you somehow think you know what people with illnesses go though because you saw A Beautiful Mind with Russel Crow during class and were like "WOW, THIS MOVIE IS DA BOMB. I TOTALLY WANNA SOLVE THAT .", read a book called "FoxNews Presents: Is Your Kid Going to Kill Himself?", and find it ok to lead the blind WHILE being blind, yeah, i think it deserves a huge YOU.
"ooooooooOOooO seratonin inhibitors! we found the link to making people happy! Depression is gone forever!" -some very rich scientist, 1968 |
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| Yan |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
when i heard about this story i hoped it was nou who offed himself :haha: |
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Father?
Okay now you're just being weird. |
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