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Politics, Rights, Freedom, Is it all gone? (pg. 4)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
"Neoliberal" means favoring laissez-faire economic globalization and unchecked expansion of multi-national corporations around the world. It is a specifically economic term; modern American conservatives are "liberal" in the old economic sense of favoring fewer legal restrictions on business. |
yes yes yes, i did study too you know ;) but you cant call the US adminstration a "neo-liberal" administration in the same sentence as talking about iraq without me correcting you.
plus, given how the US government drags its feet whenever we talk about farming subsidies, they're not all that neo to begin with ;)
neo-conservative is a better term because it encapsulates economic liberal agendas with the more important (imo) distinction of interventionisism ie nation-building as well as particularly anti-liberalism agenda at home that characterises the neo conservative movement. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
ROFL your trying to have a politcal debate yet you dont know the difference between an democracy and a democratic republic. wow
democracy is where EVERYONE votes on things
democratic republic is where you have representatives that vote for us.
of course this is the most basic definition but thats the most basic difference. |
sorry, youre wrong. by your definition there is no such thing as a democracy, which means i can use it to mean representative government, which it can and does. the word comes from the greek, where the REPRESENTATIVES of the landowning class would get their turn in the parliament. tsk tsk, kids of today with their dodgy understandings. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
yes yes yes, i did study too you know ;) but you cant call the US adminstration a "neo-liberal" administration in the same sentence as talking about iraq without me correcting you.
plus, given how the US government drags its feet whenever we talk about farming subsidies, they're not all that neo to begin with ;)
neo-conservative is a better term because it encapsulates economic liberal agendas with the more important (imo) distinction of interventionisism ie nation-building as well as particularly anti-liberalism agenda at home that characterises the neo conservative movement. |
The reason I used "neoliberal" is because the token American "liberals" share the basic neoliberal economic ideology, more or less, and I was speaking about how one-sided American political discussions really are much of the time. People often get worked up over a bunch of issues like gay marriage and end up not concentrating the life or death things like foreign policy (although at the moment there is of course a big focus on Iraq and the Middle East). |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| To put things shorter, I was referring to American political discourse as a whole rather than just to the current administration. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
the American government has seem to of forgotten alot of things like its own people and the things it takes to support its own nation.
| quote: | | The most important section of the address dealt with U.S. foreign relations. Washington stated that the "true policy [of the United States] is to steer clear of permanent alliances with any parts of the foreign world." His views provided support and inspiration for U.S. isolationists who sought to prevent the United States from becoming involved with European governments. U.S. isolationism did not disappear as a viable political viewpoint until the nation's entry into World War II in 1941. |
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by far the best advice but once you get your hands dirty once you'll get them dirty again and we do very often. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| The U.S. has never truly been an "isolationist" power, although for a long time it touted itself as one. But words do not always reflect reality. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
that ok mr jive! just making sure you werent just parroting some bollocks youd picked up off some weird website to make yourself sound educated. and im stoked that an american knows the real definitions of political terms like "liberalism" that doesnt get hijacked by the american use of the term :)
but i agree with what youre saying. |
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| jupiterone |
we're just living in a material world people...
and i am a material girl. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
your right we never were thats the problem we put our hands in too many en cookie jars and sometimes we get the ones with rat poison.
the point i guess i was originally trying to make was that at some point something has to give and we the people have already given our freedom more then we have since the whole Japanese work camps. i mean it is very understandable that you will have to sacrifice some rights for freedom. however to expect us to lay down and get finger raped by anyone who wants is another story. i just strongly disagree with governments implanting laws that they have no right to pass. i suppose it comes from being from Texas i don't know. I do think people share my point of view and what i am saying is instead of just laughing about it people should respond seriously. i know I've been in contact with my senator since some incidents with us customs and border patrol that was a flagrant violations of my rights. The contact has been going on for almost 5 months and the US Border patrol and customs have yet to comply with any request from my senator. it is a sad day i tell you when an American citizen can have his rights taken away and trashed to where he cant even defend himself without risk of more violations of unjust laws. maybe i am wrong for pointing views that directly effect me out in the open but i honestly feel this really does effect every single American either born or naturalized. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| That is what politics should be about : things that directly affect large numbers of people. Anything else is just a diversion, a side issue for politicians to get people hyped up about in order to distract them from more important things. |
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| ZxZDeViLZxZ |
| a thought ive been thinking lately is who's going to be the next president? who will be it? it wont be an independent because when is the last time one has been voted and won both electoral and popular? |
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| infinity HiGH |
Guiliani will win.
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