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Plan To Turn Fez Batik Lounge Into Shelter Met With Opposition (pg. 2)
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
tbh |
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| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
The little they do is just for PR so that the bleeding hearts feel good for something little being done for the homeless |
that is probably their strategy. they know this is not going to fly. so if a shelter doesn't get built, it was the fault of the area residents and business owners and not of the idiot politicians who proposed this spot in the first place. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Don't kid yourself Lisa.
Homelessness will always be a problem, and the govt knows that there's no effective solution for it.
The little they do is just for PR so that the bleeding hearts feel good for something little being done for the homeless |
I see what you're saying and I agree that's probably what the government is doing.
But what I get from your post is that you're basically saying that if a problem is that big, there's no point in even trying to aide the situation. There will always be poverty, there will always be ppl with addiction problems, there will always be people dying of diseases...should we not bother trying to go what we can to help even just 1 person?
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
BAHAHA |
wow :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Call me cynical, but since when did the City care about the entertainment, specifically clubs?
Less of these dens of sin, drugs and techno, better the city will be, right? :rolleyes: |
haha...I'm surprised no one else said that right away too.
I think that's a prime (re: taxable) piece of real estate and should remain a commercial establishment.
find a not-so-prime location and build a shelter there...the costs of building a proper shelter should easily be offset by the property and consumption taxes taken in by leaving the Fez site as a commercial property, no?
not to sound uncaring, but why is proximity to transit and major thoroughfares a benefit to a HOMELESS shelter?!? Doesn't it make a wee bit more sense to have COMMERCIAL establishments in such locations?
this strikes me as laziness on the part of the city in finding a suitable location rather than the Fez site being a 'perfect' for a shelter. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
I see what you're saying and I agree that's probably what the government is doing.
But what I get from your post is that you're basically saying that if a problem is that big, there's no point in even trying to aide the situation. There will always be poverty, there will always be ppl with addiction problems, there will always be people dying of diseases...should we not bother trying to go what we can to help even just 1 person?
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For this situation, yes. (since we're not talking 3rd world countries)
I'm no expert on how people become homeless, but in Canada, people have places to go to for help. We have welfare.
I don't see any good reason why a person who is willing to work to survive has to resort to homelessness to survive.
Making homelessness a viable survival option and there will be people who aren't willing to work hard to live be a bum. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
I think that's a prime (re: taxable) piece of real estate and should remain a commercial establishment.
find a not-so-prime location and build a shelter there...the costs of building a proper shelter should easily be offset by the property and consumption taxes taken in by leaving the Fez site as a commercial property, no?
not to sound uncaring, but why is proximity to transit and major thoroughfares a benefit to a HOMELESS shelter?!? Doesn't it make a wee bit more sense to have COMMERCIAL establishments in such locations?
this strikes me as laziness on the part of the city in finding a suitable location rather than the Fez site being a 'perfect' for a shelter. |
agreed. |
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| DigiNut |
| Building homeless shelters in general is a bad idea. Building them at taxpayer expense is worse. Building them at taxpayer expense in the middle of a big city's dense entertainment district is just ing retarded. Then again, Miller is ing retarded so this isn't a surprise to me. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
For this situation, yes. (since we're not talking 3rd world countries)
I'm no expert on how people become homeless, but in Canada, people have places to go to for help. We have welfare.
I don't see any good reason why a person who is willing to work to survive has to resort to homelessness to survive.
Making homelessness a viable survival option and there will be people who aren't willing to work hard to live be a bum. |
I actually volunteer in Windsor at a church that provides baby formula to people on welfare...and I've seen the checks that these people get for welfare, mother's allowance etc. There people live in subsidized housing as well....and to be honest...I have no idea how the these people life. There are lots of people on welfare who are living good lives, but there are others that are almost better off living in shelters.
Keep in mind as well that a lot of homeless people are immigrants who can't get jobs b/c they don't have the qualifications, can't land an interview b/c they don't have professional attire, have trouble speaking english, don't have an education.
People do have places to go for help....like SHELTERS - which we need.
And don't tell me that you won't complain if our taxes go up to pay for 100 thousand more people on welfare b/c you didn't want a shelter built. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Keep in mind as well that a lot of homeless people are immigrants who can't get jobs b/c they don't have the qualifications, can't land an interview b/c they don't have professional attire, have trouble speaking english, don't have an education. |
Who let these people in? Dumb ass Immigration officials.
I don't buy that these people can't find jobs. Yes, they'll have hard time getting a job b/c they lack qualifications, can't speak English well, etc, but for most minorities, they have a sizable communities where they can get a job, even if it's not the most spectacular job.
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People do have places to go for help....like SHELTERS - which we need.
And don't tell me that you won't complain if our taxes go up to pay for 100 thousand more people on welfare b/c you didn't want a shelter built. |
This is a bit off to the side, but actually having your own home, even if it's rented, improves the quality of living for a person, b/c for most would care about their home.
It's a place where they can come home every night to sleep, eat, spend time, entertain guests, have a bit of privacy, etc. It gives a person a measure of self worth, unlikes a shelter which is temporary and you don't care for it b/c ppl running the shelter does that stuff.
I personally would not mind if govt runs an effective housing program and taxes have to go up for it. |
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| oldschool420 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Building homeless shelters in general is a bad idea. Building them at taxpayer expense is worse. Building them at taxpayer expense in the middle of a big city's dense entertainment district is just ing retarded. Then again, Miller is ing retarded so this isn't a surprise to me. |
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I feel bad for mentally ill people who can not work, but there is also help for a lot of these people in Canada. I feel no sympathy for any person who just chooses not work and wastes our money keeping them alive. The majority of the country works to survive so why can't they? Even if it's a job at Mcdonalds or somewhere ty, it's better than no job at all, and it's their own money instead of taxpayers'. They should realize how fortunate they are to live in Canada and actually have access to some kind of decent paying job unlike other places in the world. My point being is help the mentally ill, but for the bums who just choose to be bums, they don't deserve any help and I(call me an if you want) could care less if they have nowhere to sleep or nothing to eat. Make your own money and earn your living like the rest of the world does.
Worst idea ever! Like someone said, how the hell did they kind of people get jobs in the government??!?! |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Who let these people in? Dumb ass Immigration officials.
I don't buy that these people can't find jobs. Yes, they'll have hard time getting a job b/c they lack qualifications, can't speak English well, etc, but for most minorities, they have a sizable communities where they can get a job, even if it's not the most spectacular job.
This is a bit off to the side, but actually having your own home, even if it's rented, improves the quality of living for a person, b/c for most would care about their home.
It's a place where they can come home every night to sleep, eat, spend time, entertain guests, have a bit of privacy, etc. It gives a person a measure of self worth, unlikes a shelter which is temporary and you don't care for it b/c ppl running the shelter does that stuff.
I personally would not mind if govt runs an effective housing program and taxes have to go up for it. |
There are plenty of people out there that DO try to find jobs yet can't find them. Hell, I know friends of mine who are working their asses off to find jobs and are having a hard time...so think about people that basically have no resume.
I'm not going to argue this anymore Yohan. Perhaps you'll understand what I'm saying when you start volunteering to help the homeless and welfare aided people. You may change your mind when you see what I see. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
There are plenty of people out there that DO try to find jobs yet can't find them. Hell, I know friends of mine who are working their asses off to find jobs and are having a hard time...so think about people that basically have no resume. |
Oh I don't disagree with you that there are those who are trying hard to get off the streets.
But there are more who just don't care and content with living on the streets that are the problem.
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I'm not going to argue this anymore Yohan. Perhaps you'll understand what I'm saying when you start volunteering to help the homeless and welfare aided people. You may change your mind when you see what I see. |
Welfare... Well, my family went through some hard times and did live on welfare for a while.
Volunteering with homeless, did that few times. It was... an interesting experience. (though I don't claim to have as extensive experience as you, Lisa) |
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