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Plan To Turn Fez Batik Lounge Into Shelter Met With Opposition (pg. 3)
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
But there are more who just don't care and content with living on the streets that are the problem.
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These ppl I have no sympathy for and don't agree with helping them. The problem is that there's no effective way in separating those from the ones that really do need help. It's the same with people who live on welfare b/c they can...not b/c they need it. I hate those people.
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Volunteering with homeless, did that few times. It was... an interesting experience. (though I don't claim to have as extensive experience as you, Lisa) |
One of the things I thought was pretty crazy is that at the place I volunteer currently, they have to show us their monthly income to prove they need assistance. There have been women that come in that I honestly don't know how they live. They have 3 kids, pay $500 in rent not including utilities, and yet are only given $700/month. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Keep in mind as well that a lot of homeless people are immigrants who can't get jobs b/c they don't have the qualifications, can't land an interview b/c they don't have professional attire, have trouble speaking english, don't have an education. |
Bull. |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Bull. |
Whatever you say. There are plenty of homeless people out there that don't choose that lifestyle. |
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| mikester69 |
| Where's Jayx1 these days? |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by mikester69
Where's Jayx1 these days? |
Yaaaa! Where the is he? |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Building homeless shelters in general is a bad idea. Building them at taxpayer expense is worse. Building them at taxpayer expense in the middle of a big city's dense entertainment district is just ing retarded. Then again, Miller is ing retarded so this isn't a surprise to me. |
Hahahahah. YES DIGI! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
Whatever you say. There are plenty of homeless people out there that don't choose that lifestyle. |
When was the last time you ran into someone who was doing ty and actually claimed that they were responsible? Excuses are easy - change is hard.
Morbidly fat people didn't just eat, it's genetic and it's all the fault of the fast food chains. Drug addicts didn't just get addicted to drugs, they had terrible childhoods and their relatives didn't support them and their peers were mean and there was no other escape. Everybody will always find a way to blame someone or something else. The people who end up on the street, end up there precisely because they've taken this to the extreme, embracing helplessness and victimization and doing nothing about their situation.
OK - some of them are mentally ill. That's different. But give me a break - so you're a disheveled immigrant with no money and no job? Go work as a dishwasher or a fry cook, take one of the numerous free ESL classes offered in the city, and sleep at one of the el cheapo hostels on the outskirts. It's , but it's better than living on the street and with a little bit of discipline one can dig his way out of that hole.
Do you have any idea how immigrants lived as recently as 50 or 60 years ago? Irish, Jewish, and probably a few other groups that I'm forgetting, they lived in ghettoes, crowded 10 people into an apartment as big as your bedroom, pooled their money together so they could eat. They lived in squalor but instead of begging, they worked like dogs. They learned how to survive on nothing just so they could make a better life for their kids. And they did.
But no, in this day in this country nobody ever makes bad choices, they just have bad luck. Pfft. |
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| dEsidEL |
heaven help the gino who gets mugged
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
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In response to your obese and drug addict people - I never said anything about that...I completely agree with you, those people do it to themselves.
I stand by what I say when it comes to the homeless. I will not deny the fact that there are MANY - in fact I would probably say the majority - of homeless people out there are somewhat responsible for where they are.
But there are some immigrants out there that just can't make it work. May it be because they are single parents, they don't have clean clothes to wear to work, they don't speak english and can't go to ESL classes b/c they have to take care of their babies, they have no transportation - nor money for transportation, they don't have any education or qualification, they are unaware of the opportunities that are available to them and no one is there to lead them in the right direction, the government doesn't provide them with enough money...
If they kept looking and trying, eventually I'm sure a lot of them will get jobs (I don't care how ty the job is)...but a lot of them are struggling b/c they need help and either don't get it or don't know HOW to get it. |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
heaven help the gino who gets mugged
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i LOL'd :haha: |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
In response to your obese and drug addict people - I never said anything about that...I completely agree with you, those people do it to themselves.
I stand by what I say when it comes to the homeless. I will not deny the fact that there are MANY - in fact I would probably say the majority - of homeless people out there are somewhat responsible for where they are.
But there are some immigrants out there that just can't make it work. May it be because they are single parents, they don't have clean clothes to wear to work, they don't speak english and can't go to ESL classes b/c they have to take care of their babies, they have no transportation - nor money for transportation, they don't have any education or qualification, they are unaware of the opportunities that are available to them and no one is there to lead them in the right direction, the government doesn't provide them with enough money...
If they kept looking and trying, eventually I'm sure a lot of them will get jobs (I don't care how ty the job is)...but a lot of them are struggling b/c they need help and either don't get it or don't know HOW to get it. |
Ok. So these immigrants know how to go to the govt for a welfare cheque, but they aren't aware of other social services that the govt offers?
I'm not trying to make this personal or consist this as an attack on you, Lisa, but there is a flaw in your comment. |
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| spitty |
anyone with the physical AND psychological capabilities should be busting their asses to find a job. unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't have the same mental makeup that some of us are blest with and as lisa explained earlier, its hard to set up programs that differentiate between those who genuinely need these services and those who don't.
most of us sitting here reading this have had an easy time in life. you all have access to a computer, you're wearing clothes, you ate dinner, and probably breakfast and lunch too. some of you are living at home, and those who aren't probably lived at home till you were at least 18. growing up you probably had your parent(s) around..and most likely they were sober and not ing men for crack money. most of you also went to school. some of you had help from your parents and others received scholarships from good grades. some of you have always done well in school or business. you all probably have good health..no schizophrenia or other mental diseases. those of you who do, it was probably detected early and you have been properly diagnosed and watched over. same with those with learning disabilities, like dyslexia.
i'm not saying people should be given a free ride, but some people seem to forget that we don't all start out at the same point. and its not only the physical or physiological aspects. some of you (specifically the biggest conservatives in this thread..cough cough digi cough cough)...are born pretty ing smart. sure you guys had to work had in school, but that doesn't discount the fact that you have been given a gift that puts you in an advantageous position in society. |
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